9:09 a.m.
Hello all,
I have a question why i should use an opensource directory server for my
opensource activities!
I work for a large company! 70k users
We have a large MS Windows based infrastructure win2k3 with winxp
workstations.
For our open source servers and workstations we thought to get an
Opensource Directory server because of the specific options that Active
Directory cannot deliver.
But now i get a lot of people who say that active directory can do all of it!
Can someone help me with getting the right arguments so i have a valid
reason to create an opensource directory server?
The things i wanna administer are:
Sudoldap
Freeipa based authentication/dns
application management
and probably a lot more!
Please let me know!
With kind regards,
William van de Velde
1:30 a.m.
New subject: [Fedora-directory-users] Business Case: Advantage OpensourceDirectory VS Active Directory
Hi William,
One of the things you need to address is the performance / speed of authentication. Can
your (AD -) server forest handle the amount of new kind of authentication requests beside
the WINS / DNS etc.
I have 2-servers ( in replica) of Fedora DS (FDS) with over 800k users. This is only for
authentication of our website. There is also an read-only replica of the AD on it for
internal use. Till now there is no performance issue.
We decided to move to FDS due to the amount of external users. We did this only for
performance. AD could do it as well.
Ben.
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Onderwerp: [Fedora-directory-users] Business Case: Advantage OpensourceDirectory VS Active
Directory
Hello all,
I have a question why i should use an opensource directory server for my
opensource activities!
I work for a large company! 70k users
We have a large MS Windows based infrastructure win2k3 with winxp
workstations.
For our open source servers and workstations we thought to get an
Opensource Directory server because of the specific options that Active
Directory cannot deliver.
But now i get a lot of people who say that active directory can do all of it!
Can someone help me with getting the right arguments so i have a valid
reason to create an opensource directory server?
The things i wanna administer are:
Sudoldap
Freeipa based authentication/dns
application management
and probably a lot more!
Please let me know!
With kind regards,
William van de Velde
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1:51 a.m.
Bonjour cobra,
Monday, August 18, 2008, 4:09:22 PM, you wrote:
cco> I have a question why i should use an opensource directory server for my
cco> opensource activities!
cco> I work for a large company! 70k users
cco> We have a large MS Windows based infrastructure win2k3 with winxp
cco> workstations.
cco> Can someone help me with getting the right arguments so i have a valid
cco> reason to create an opensource directory server?
You can try this document to begin with (written for a customer by
Symas and HP) : http://www.symas.com/documents/Adam-Eval1-0.pdf
Andrey Ivanov
tel +33-(0)1-69-33-99-24
fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55
Direction des Systemes d'Information
Ecole Polytechnique
91128 Palaiseau CEDEX
France
2:07 p.m.
New subject: [Fedora-directory-users] Business Case: Advantage Opensource Directory VS Active Directory
Hello Andrey and Ben,
Thanx for your answers!
The document realy explains the differences between both directory's!
I'm taking it for input for the why question for our project!
For the performance we are going to test that!
With kind regards,
William van de Velde
Bonjour cobra,
Monday, August 18, 2008, 4:09:22 PM, you wrote:
cco> I have a question why i should use an opensource directory server for
my
cco> opensource activities!
cco> I work for a large company! 70k users
cco> We have a large MS Windows based infrastructure win2k3 with winxp
cco> workstations.
cco> Can someone help me with getting the right arguments so i have a
valid
cco> reason to create an opensource directory server?
You can try this document to begin with (written for a customer by
Symas and HP) : http://www.symas.com/documents/Adam-Eval1-0.pdf
Andrey Ivanov
tel +33-(0)1-69-33-99-24
fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55
Direction des Systemes d'Information
Ecole Polytechnique
91128 Palaiseau CEDEX
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9:06 p.m.
Been using Fedora Directory Server since its inception and up until
recently, I would have recommended it above all others. I am a Linux guru,
windows hater and favor open source over any proprietary product. That
being said, I recently switched to a new company and they happen to be all
XP and 2003 server along with exchange.
Having had the opportunity to work now with both FDS and Active Directory,
I can tell you from first hand experience, Active Directory wins hands
down. It was easy to setup, easy to replicate, support 6,000 users
currently at my office and is easily running on a dual core system while
hardly using any resources.
I am no lover of Microsoft or any of its products but switching to ADAM was
the best move i could have made. There is no comparison on ease of setup,
ease of management, stability. ADAM wins hands down as much as I hate to
say it, its true.
Just one person's first hand experience...
Merle Reine
CTO
Vanguard Industries, Inc.
Email Address: echo zreyr.ervar(a)tznvy.pbz | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/'
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:07 PM, <cobra(a)cobradevil.org> wrote:
Hello Andrey and Ben,
Thanx for your answers!
The document realy explains the differences between both directory's!
I'm taking it for input for the why question for our project!
For the performance we are going to test that!
With kind regards,
William van de Velde
> Bonjour cobra,
>
> Monday, August 18, 2008, 4:09:22 PM, you wrote:
>
>
>
> cco> I have a question why i should use an opensource directory server
for
> my
> cco> opensource activities!
>
> cco> I work for a large company! 70k users
>
> cco> We have a large MS Windows based infrastructure win2k3 with winxp
> cco> workstations.
>
> cco> Can someone help me with getting the right arguments so i have a
> valid
> cco> reason to create an opensource directory server?
> You can try this document to begin with (written for a customer by
> Symas and HP) : http://www.symas.com/documents/Adam-Eval1-0.pdf
>
>
> Andrey Ivanov
> tel +33-(0)1-69-33-99-24
> fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55
>
> Direction des Systemes d'Information
> Ecole Polytechnique
> 91128 Palaiseau CEDEX
> France
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4:28 a.m.
I've used them both too, and I never noticed any real advantage with AD. In
fact, FDS would do everything just like you said, and I wasnt forced into
vendor lock-in to do it. What were your main drawbacks with LDAP?
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Merle Reine <merle.reine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Been using Fedora Directory Server since its inception and up until
recently, I would have recommended it above all others. I am a Linux guru,
windows hater and favor open source over any proprietary product. That
being said, I recently switched to a new company and they happen to be all
XP and 2003 server along with exchange.
Having had the opportunity to work now with both FDS and Active Directory,
I can tell you from first hand experience, Active Directory wins hands
down. It was easy to setup, easy to replicate, support 6,000 users
currently at my office and is easily running on a dual core system while
hardly using any resources.
I am no lover of Microsoft or any of its products but switching to ADAM was
the best move i could have made. There is no comparison on ease of setup,
ease of management, stability. ADAM wins hands down as much as I hate to
say it, its true.
Just one person's first hand experience...
Merle Reine
CTO
Vanguard Industries, Inc.
Email Address: echo zreyr.ervar(a)tznvy.pbz | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/'
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:07 PM, <cobra(a)cobradevil.org> wrote:
> Hello Andrey and Ben,
>
> Thanx for your answers!
>
> The document realy explains the differences between both directory's!
> I'm taking it for input for the why question for our project!
> For the performance we are going to test that!
>
> With kind regards,
>
> William van de Velde
>
>
> > Bonjour cobra,
> >
> > Monday, August 18, 2008, 4:09:22 PM, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > cco> I have a question why i should use an opensource directory server
> for
> > my
> > cco> opensource activities!
> >
> > cco> I work for a large company! 70k users
> >
> > cco> We have a large MS Windows based infrastructure win2k3 with winxp
> > cco> workstations.
> >
> > cco> Can someone help me with getting the right arguments so i have a
> > valid
> > cco> reason to create an opensource directory server?
> > You can try this document to begin with (written for a customer by
> > Symas and HP) : http://www.symas.com/documents/Adam-Eval1-0.pdf
> >
> >
> > Andrey Ivanov
> > tel +33-(0)1-69-33-99-24
> > fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55
> >
> > Direction des Systemes d'Information
> > Ecole Polytechnique
> > 91128 Palaiseau CEDEX
> > France
> >
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11:30 p.m.
Ease of use, speed, dependency. I love mysql, php, apache, linux but LDAP
is just way too confusing and need to many hands on to manage. AD just
works, was a breeze to setup (i setup exchange server, ADAM in 2 days
serving 6,000 users) and I had 0 previous experience with either as I am a
linux guy. It has worked flawlessly with not a single thing done to it
since being setup. I don't like the licensing fees either but it is worth
the money to not have to do any management on a daily basis and I mean 0
seconds of my time or my admins in the last 3 months.
Merle Reine
CTO
Vanguard Industries, Inc.
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 2:28 AM, solarflow99 <solarflow99(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I've used them both too, and I never noticed any real advantage
with AD.
In fact, FDS would do everything just like you said, and I wasnt forced into
vendor lock-in to do it. What were your main drawbacks with LDAP?
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Merle Reine <merle.reine(a)gmail.com>wrote:
> Been using Fedora Directory Server since its inception and up until
> recently, I would have recommended it above all others. I am a Linux guru,
> windows hater and favor open source over any proprietary product. That
> being said, I recently switched to a new company and they happen to be all
> XP and 2003 server along with exchange.
>
> Having had the opportunity to work now with both FDS and Active
> Directory, I can tell you from first hand experience, Active Directory wins
> hands down. It was easy to setup, easy to replicate, support 6,000 users
> currently at my office and is easily running on a dual core system while
> hardly using any resources.
>
> I am no lover of Microsoft or any of its products but switching to ADAM
> was the best move i could have made. There is no comparison on ease of
> setup, ease of management, stability. ADAM wins hands down as much as I
> hate to say it, its true.
>
> Just one person's first hand experience...
>
>
> Merle Reine
> CTO
> Vanguard Industries, Inc.
>
> Email Address: echo zreyr.ervar(a)tznvy.pbz | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/'
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:07 PM, <cobra(a)cobradevil.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello Andrey and Ben,
>>
>> Thanx for your answers!
>>
>> The document realy explains the differences between both directory's!
>> I'm taking it for input for the why question for our project!
>> For the performance we are going to test that!
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
>> William van de Velde
>>
>>
>> > Bonjour cobra,
>> >
>> > Monday, August 18, 2008, 4:09:22 PM, you wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > cco> I have a question why i should use an opensource directory server
>> for
>> > my
>> > cco> opensource activities!
>> >
>> > cco> I work for a large company! 70k users
>> >
>> > cco> We have a large MS Windows based infrastructure win2k3 with winxp
>> > cco> workstations.
>> >
>> > cco> Can someone help me with getting the right arguments so i have a
>> > valid
>> > cco> reason to create an opensource directory server?
>> > You can try this document to begin with (written for a customer by
>> > Symas and HP) : http://www.symas.com/documents/Adam-Eval1-0.pdf
>> >
>> >
>> > Andrey Ivanov
>> > tel +33-(0)1-69-33-99-24
>> > fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55
>> >
>> > Direction des Systemes d'Information
>> > Ecole Polytechnique
>> > 91128 Palaiseau CEDEX
>> > France
>> >
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in a windows only network, sure. have fun getting anything else to
authenticate to it properly though. I dont think you even need to know a
lot about ldap to get it going with fds, but its still a useful thing to
know if you are a linux guy, AD is also ldap. I'd really doubt that it
could ever be faster since AD also adds DNS, kerberos, DHCP, NTP all into
it.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Merle Reine <merle.reine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Ease of use, speed, dependency. I love mysql, php, apache, linux but
LDAP
is just way too confusing and need to many hands on to manage. AD just
works, was a breeze to setup (i setup exchange server, ADAM in 2 days
serving 6,000 users) and I had 0 previous experience with either as I am a
linux guy. It has worked flawlessly with not a single thing done to it
since being setup. I don't like the licensing fees either but it is worth
the money to not have to do any management on a daily basis and I mean 0
seconds of my time or my admins in the last 3 months.
Merle Reine
CTO
Vanguard Industries, Inc.
Email Address: echo zreyr.ervar(a)tznvy.pbz | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/'
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 2:28 AM, solarflow99 <solarflow99(a)gmail.com>wrote:
> I've used them both too, and I never noticed any real advantage with AD.
> In fact, FDS would do everything just like you said, and I wasnt forced into
> vendor lock-in to do it. What were your main drawbacks with LDAP?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Merle Reine <merle.reine(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Been using Fedora Directory Server since its inception and up until
>> recently, I would have recommended it above all others. I am a Linux guru,
>> windows hater and favor open source over any proprietary product. That
>> being said, I recently switched to a new company and they happen to be all
>> XP and 2003 server along with exchange.
>>
>> Having had the opportunity to work now with both FDS and Active
>> Directory, I can tell you from first hand experience, Active Directory wins
>> hands down. It was easy to setup, easy to replicate, support 6,000 users
>> currently at my office and is easily running on a dual core system while
>> hardly using any resources.
>>
>> I am no lover of Microsoft or any of its products but switching to ADAM
>> was the best move i could have made. There is no comparison on ease of
>> setup, ease of management, stability. ADAM wins hands down as much as I
>> hate to say it, its true.
>>
>> Just one person's first hand experience...
>>
>>
>> Merle Reine
>> CTO
>> Vanguard Industries, Inc.
>>
>> Email Address: echo zreyr.ervar(a)tznvy.pbz | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/'
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:07 PM, <cobra(a)cobradevil.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Andrey and Ben,
>>>
>>> Thanx for your answers!
>>>
>>> The document realy explains the differences between both directory's!
>>> I'm taking it for input for the why question for our project!
>>> For the performance we are going to test that!
>>>
>>> With kind regards,
>>>
>>> William van de Velde
>>>
>>>
>>> > Bonjour cobra,
>>> >
>>> > Monday, August 18, 2008, 4:09:22 PM, you wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > cco> I have a question why i should use an opensource directory
server
>>> for
>>> > my
>>> > cco> opensource activities!
>>> >
>>> > cco> I work for a large company! 70k users
>>> >
>>> > cco> We have a large MS Windows based infrastructure win2k3 with
winxp
>>> > cco> workstations.
>>> >
>>> > cco> Can someone help me with getting the right arguments so i have
a
>>> > valid
>>> > cco> reason to create an opensource directory server?
>>> > You can try this document to begin with (written for a customer by
>>> > Symas and HP) : http://www.symas.com/documents/Adam-Eval1-0.pdf
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Andrey Ivanov
>>> > tel +33-(0)1-69-33-99-24
>>> > fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55
>>> >
>>> > Direction des Systemes d'Information
>>> > Ecole Polytechnique
>>> > 91128 Palaiseau CEDEX
>>> > France
>>> >
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New subject: [Fedora-directory-users] Business Case: Advantage Opensource Directory VS Active Directory
Thanx for your answers.
I am going to try to get this project going.
just scared when i think off the following scenario's!
When we get the next few years more then 300 linux servers and about 3000
workstations and we put those all in active directory and microsoft
changes their license so you pay per entry then you feel very screwed!!!!
Or lets say you have everything in AD and a f*cked up virus will delete
your AD then your whole infrastructure is down (including DNS NTP LDAP
USER AUTHENTICATION and AUTHORIZATION) and i think for more then 70000
users that will be a real disaster!!! How quick can you recover that?
With an OSS directory server (we have some real experience like kerberos
trusts and openldap/fds ) i think we will be in better control then with
AD, but that is based on my feelings so not really interesting of course!
Wish me all good luck and i hope i can learn from this project so i can
help other people with these questions!!
I will ask my bosses to get this project (directory services for OSS
infrastructure) so open that i can release docs and stuff out in the wild
for reference.
With kind regards,
William van de Velde
in a windows only network, sure. have fun getting anything else to
authenticate to it properly though. I dont think you even need to know a
lot about ldap to get it going with fds, but its still a useful thing to
know if you are a linux guy, AD is also ldap. I'd really doubt that it
could ever be faster since AD also adds DNS, kerberos, DHCP, NTP all into
it.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Merle Reine <merle.reine(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Ease of use, speed, dependency. I love mysql, php, apache, linux but
> LDAP
> is just way too confusing and need to many hands on to manage. AD just
> works, was a breeze to setup (i setup exchange server, ADAM in 2 days
> serving 6,000 users) and I had 0 previous experience with either as I am
> a
> linux guy. It has worked flawlessly with not a single thing done to it
> since being setup. I don't like the licensing fees either but it is
> worth
> the money to not have to do any management on a daily basis and I mean 0
> seconds of my time or my admins in the last 3 months.
>
>
> Merle Reine
> CTO
> Vanguard Industries, Inc.
>
> Email Address: echo zreyr.ervar(a)tznvy.pbz | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/'
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 2:28 AM, solarflow99
> <solarflow99(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I've used them both too, and I never noticed any real advantage with
>> AD.
>> In fact, FDS would do everything just like you said, and I wasnt forced
>> into
>> vendor lock-in to do it. What were your main drawbacks with LDAP?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Merle Reine
>> <merle.reine(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Been using Fedora Directory Server since its inception and up until
>>> recently, I would have recommended it above all others. I am a Linux
>>> guru,
>>> windows hater and favor open source over any proprietary product.
>>> That
>>> being said, I recently switched to a new company and they happen to
>>> be all
>>> XP and 2003 server along with exchange.
>>>
>>> Having had the opportunity to work now with both FDS and Active
>>> Directory, I can tell you from first hand experience, Active
>>> Directory wins
>>> hands down. It was easy to setup, easy to replicate, support 6,000
>>> users
>>> currently at my office and is easily running on a dual core system
>>> while
>>> hardly using any resources.
>>>
>>> I am no lover of Microsoft or any of its products but switching to
>>> ADAM
>>> was the best move i could have made. There is no comparison on ease
>>> of
>>> setup, ease of management, stability. ADAM wins hands down as much as
>>> I
>>> hate to say it, its true.
>>>
>>> Just one person's first hand experience...
>>>
>>>
>>> Merle Reine
>>> CTO
>>> Vanguard Industries, Inc.
>>>
>>> Email Address: echo zreyr.ervar(a)tznvy.pbz | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/'
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:07 PM, <cobra(a)cobradevil.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Andrey and Ben,
>>>>
>>>> Thanx for your answers!
>>>>
>>>> The document realy explains the differences between both
directory's!
>>>> I'm taking it for input for the why question for our project!
>>>> For the performance we are going to test that!
>>>>
>>>> With kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> William van de Velde
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Bonjour cobra,
>>>> >
>>>> > Monday, August 18, 2008, 4:09:22 PM, you wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > cco> I have a question why i should use an opensource directory
>>>> server
>>>> for
>>>> > my
>>>> > cco> opensource activities!
>>>> >
>>>> > cco> I work for a large company! 70k users
>>>> >
>>>> > cco> We have a large MS Windows based infrastructure win2k3 with
>>>> winxp
>>>> > cco> workstations.
>>>> >
>>>> > cco> Can someone help me with getting the right arguments so i
have
>>>> a
>>>> > valid
>>>> > cco> reason to create an opensource directory server?
>>>> > You can try this document to begin with (written for a customer by
>>>> > Symas and HP) : http://www.symas.com/documents/Adam-Eval1-0.pdf
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Andrey Ivanov
>>>> > tel +33-(0)1-69-33-99-24
>>>> > fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55
>>>> >
>>>> > Direction des Systemes d'Information
>>>> > Ecole Polytechnique
>>>> > 91128 Palaiseau CEDEX
>>>> > France
>>>> >
>>>> > --
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>>>> > Fedora-directory-users(a)redhat.com
>>>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-directory-users
>>>> >
>>>>
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William,
If there is anything we can help you with let us know.
Ben.
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Van: fedora-directory-users-bounces(a)redhat.com namens cobra(a)cobradevil.org
Verzonden: ma 25-8-2008 19:32
Aan: General discussion list for the Fedora Directory server project.
Onderwerp: Re: [Fedora-directory-users] Business Case: Advantage Opensource Directory VS
Active Directory
Thanx for your answers.
I am going to try to get this project going.
just scared when i think off the following scenario's!
When we get the next few years more then 300 linux servers and about 3000
workstations and we put those all in active directory and microsoft
changes their license so you pay per entry then you feel very screwed!!!!
Or lets say you have everything in AD and a f*cked up virus will delete
your AD then your whole infrastructure is down (including DNS NTP LDAP
USER AUTHENTICATION and AUTHORIZATION) and i think for more then 70000
users that will be a real disaster!!! How quick can you recover that?
With an OSS directory server (we have some real experience like kerberos
trusts and openldap/fds ) i think we will be in better control then with
AD, but that is based on my feelings so not really interesting of course!
Wish me all good luck and i hope i can learn from this project so i can
help other people with these questions!!
I will ask my bosses to get this project (directory services for OSS
infrastructure) so open that i can release docs and stuff out in the wild
for reference.
With kind regards,
William van de Velde
in a windows only network, sure. have fun getting anything else to
authenticate to it properly though. I dont think you even need to know a
lot about ldap to get it going with fds, but its still a useful thing to
know if you are a linux guy, AD is also ldap. I'd really doubt that it
could ever be faster since AD also adds DNS, kerberos, DHCP, NTP all into
it.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Merle Reine <merle.reine(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Ease of use, speed, dependency. I love mysql, php, apache, linux but
> LDAP
> is just way too confusing and need to many hands on to manage. AD just
> works, was a breeze to setup (i setup exchange server, ADAM in 2 days
> serving 6,000 users) and I had 0 previous experience with either as I am
> a
> linux guy. It has worked flawlessly with not a single thing done to it
> since being setup. I don't like the licensing fees either but it is
> worth
> the money to not have to do any management on a daily basis and I mean 0
> seconds of my time or my admins in the last 3 months.
>
>
> Merle Reine
> CTO
> Vanguard Industries, Inc.
>
> Email Address: echo zreyr.ervar(a)tznvy.pbz | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/'
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 2:28 AM, solarflow99
> <solarflow99(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I've used them both too, and I never noticed any real advantage with
>> AD.
>> In fact, FDS would do everything just like you said, and I wasnt forced
>> into
>> vendor lock-in to do it. What were your main drawbacks with LDAP?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Merle Reine
>> <merle.reine(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Been using Fedora Directory Server since its inception and up until
>>> recently, I would have recommended it above all others. I am a Linux
>>> guru,
>>> windows hater and favor open source over any proprietary product.
>>> That
>>> being said, I recently switched to a new company and they happen to
>>> be all
>>> XP and 2003 server along with exchange.
>>>
>>> Having had the opportunity to work now with both FDS and Active
>>> Directory, I can tell you from first hand experience, Active
>>> Directory wins
>>> hands down. It was easy to setup, easy to replicate, support 6,000
>>> users
>>> currently at my office and is easily running on a dual core system
>>> while
>>> hardly using any resources.
>>>
>>> I am no lover of Microsoft or any of its products but switching to
>>> ADAM
>>> was the best move i could have made. There is no comparison on ease
>>> of
>>> setup, ease of management, stability. ADAM wins hands down as much as
>>> I
>>> hate to say it, its true.
>>>
>>> Just one person's first hand experience...
>>>
>>>
>>> Merle Reine
>>> CTO
>>> Vanguard Industries, Inc.
>>>
>>> Email Address: echo zreyr.ervar(a)tznvy.pbz | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/'
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:07 PM, <cobra(a)cobradevil.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Andrey and Ben,
>>>>
>>>> Thanx for your answers!
>>>>
>>>> The document realy explains the differences between both
directory's!
>>>> I'm taking it for input for the why question for our project!
>>>> For the performance we are going to test that!
>>>>
>>>> With kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> William van de Velde
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Bonjour cobra,
>>>> >
>>>> > Monday, August 18, 2008, 4:09:22 PM, you wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > cco> I have a question why i should use an opensource directory
>>>> server
>>>> for
>>>> > my
>>>> > cco> opensource activities!
>>>> >
>>>> > cco> I work for a large company! 70k users
>>>> >
>>>> > cco> We have a large MS Windows based infrastructure win2k3 with
>>>> winxp
>>>> > cco> workstations.
>>>> >
>>>> > cco> Can someone help me with getting the right arguments so i
have
>>>> a
>>>> > valid
>>>> > cco> reason to create an opensource directory server?
>>>> > You can try this document to begin with (written for a customer by
>>>> > Symas and HP) : http://www.symas.com/documents/Adam-Eval1-0.pdf
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Andrey Ivanov
>>>> > tel +33-(0)1-69-33-99-24
>>>> > fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55
>>>> >
>>>> > Direction des Systemes d'Information
>>>> > Ecole Polytechnique
>>>> > 91128 Palaiseau CEDEX
>>>> > France
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