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On 13/11/2012, at 7:29 PM, Giulio Fidente wrote:
hi there,
given that each cabal should have its first meeting by the end of this
week, my proposal for the first meeting of the release cabal is for
Thursday the 15th, at 18:00 CET (which is GMT+1)
NACK. Steve already set up a first meeting time, at 15:00 CET on
Friday. I'll forward the invite to you. :)
I'd like to use for this and the next meetings IRC, as it happens
for
fedora, I'm thinking of a channel called: '#aeolus-meeting'
Good idea. I'm fairly certain this already happens occasionally, but
it's a decent idea to make it part of the standard approach.
We should book such a channel on a shared calendar which will
eventually
be published on the website to encourage people join us.
Very good idea. :)
My proposals for the agenda (and please feel free to add other stuff
which you think is important):
* wrap up on the current status of art
* review the existing install docs and look for improvements
* define some 'recurring' date for our next meetings
Good thinking. Just created a page on our Etherpad with meeting info,
agenda items, and similar:
http://etherpad-aeolusproject.rhcloud.com/p/release-cabal-meeting-20121116
Note that today we've got a guy on #aeolus asking, amongst other
things,
if there guides helping to install aeolus on centos.
Having aeolus working on centos looks to me a nice task as that is
probably going to be the preferred choice for non-paying (yet) customers.
Agreed. My preference would be to have Aeolus working on CentOS 6.x as
our "primary" target platform. It's what most upstream rpm users will
likely want to use, and (unlike Fedora) we don't have to jump through
hoops every few months trying to make it work with a new release that
has significant changes. :)
Regards and best wishes,
Justin Clift
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting_channel?rd=Fedora_meeting_channel
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3:55 a.m.
New subject: Release Cabal inaugural meeting
On 11/15/2012 10:20 AM, Justin Clift wrote:
> I'd like to use for this and the next meetings IRC, as it
happens for
> fedora, I'm thinking of a channel called: '#aeolus-meeting'
Good idea. I'm fairly certain this already happens occasionally, but
it's a decent idea to make it part of the standard approach.
are we going to have our first meeting on IRC then? I'd much prefer that
to an hangout
> We should book such a channel on a shared calendar which will
eventually
> be published on the website to encourage people join us.
Very good idea. :)
I don't thik there is any calendaring support in redmine, are there
proposals for some _open source_ shared calendaring service ?
> My proposals for the agenda (and please feel free to add other
stuff
> which you think is important):
>
> * wrap up on the current status of art
> * review the existing install docs and look for improvements
> * define some 'recurring' date for our next meetings
Good thinking. Just created a page on our Etherpad with meeting info,
agenda items, and similar:
http://etherpad-aeolusproject.rhcloud.com/p/release-cabal-meeting-20121116
thanks, I put some more ideas in there
Agreed. My preference would be to have Aeolus working on CentOS 6.x
as
our "primary" target platform. It's what most upstream rpm users will
likely want to use, and (unlike Fedora) we don't have to jump through
hoops every few months trying to make it work with a new release that
has significant changes. :)
great, it's already two of us who like this then :)
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4 a.m.
New subject: Release Cabal inaugural meeting
On 15/11/2012, at 10:55 AM, Giulio Fidente wrote:
On 11/15/2012 10:20 AM, Justin Clift wrote:
>> I'd like to use for this and the next meetings IRC, as it happens for
>> fedora, I'm thinking of a channel called: '#aeolus-meeting'
>
> Good idea. I'm fairly certain this already happens occasionally, but
> it's a decent idea to make it part of the standard approach.
are we going to have our first meeting on IRC then? I'd much prefer that
to an hangout
The intention is to do it as a Google+ Hangout, with the meeting being
recorded and going to YouTube as well.
>> We should book such a channel on a shared calendar which will eventually
>> be published on the website to encourage people join us.
>
> Very good idea. :)
I don't thik there is any calendaring support in redmine, are there
proposals for some _open source_ shared calendaring service ?
Good question. :) Do you have time to look into it?
>> My proposals for the agenda (and please feel free to add
other stuff
>> which you think is important):
>>
>> * wrap up on the current status of art
>> * review the existing install docs and look for improvements
>> * define some 'recurring' date for our next meetings
>
> Good thinking. Just created a page on our Etherpad with meeting info,
> agenda items, and similar:
>
> http://etherpad-aeolusproject.rhcloud.com/p/release-cabal-meeting-20121116
thanks, I put some more ideas in there
> Agreed. My preference would be to have Aeolus working on CentOS 6.x as
> our "primary" target platform. It's what most upstream rpm users will
> likely want to use, and (unlike Fedora) we don't have to jump through
> hoops every few months trying to make it work with a new release that
> has significant changes. :)
great, it's already two of us who like this then :)
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4:12 a.m.
New subject: Release Cabal inaugural meeting (and why not to use g+ hangout)
On 11/15/2012 11:00 AM, Justin Clift wrote:
On 15/11/2012, at 10:55 AM, Giulio Fidente wrote:
> On 11/15/2012 10:20 AM, Justin Clift wrote:
>>> I'd like to use for this and the next meetings IRC, as it happens for
>>> fedora, I'm thinking of a channel called: '#aeolus-meeting'
>>
>> Good idea. I'm fairly certain this already happens occasionally, but
>> it's a decent idea to make it part of the standard approach.
>
> are we going to have our first meeting on IRC then? I'd much prefer that
> to an hangout
The intention is to do it as a Google+ Hangout, with the meeting being
recorded and going to YouTube as well.
my reasons for _not_ to use hangout are that it forces people to use
google's plugin, some proprietary piece of software and _also_ prevents
other people from joining the meeting unless they've got the invite
if we're doing this to get more people engaged, than we should
definitely find some more open ways to communicate and let other people
join us
>>> We should book such a channel on a shared calendar which
will eventually
>>> be published on the website to encourage people join us.
>>
>> Very good idea. :)
>
> I don't thik there is any calendaring support in redmine, are there
> proposals for some _open source_ shared calendaring service ?
Good question. :) Do you have time to look into it?
yes, we can very well just use a table on a redmine wiki page, as it
happens for fedora... only I don't have permissions to create pages on
redmine
can anyone grant me the needed permissions?
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4:22 a.m.
New subject: Release Cabal inaugural meeting (and why not to use g+ hangout)
On 15/11/2012, at 11:12 AM, Giulio Fidente wrote:
On 11/15/2012 11:00 AM, Justin Clift wrote:
> On 15/11/2012, at 10:55 AM, Giulio Fidente wrote:
>> On 11/15/2012 10:20 AM, Justin Clift wrote:
>>>> I'd like to use for this and the next meetings IRC, as it happens
for
>>>> fedora, I'm thinking of a channel called: '#aeolus-meeting'
>>>
>>> Good idea. I'm fairly certain this already happens occasionally, but
>>> it's a decent idea to make it part of the standard approach.
>>
>> are we going to have our first meeting on IRC then? I'd much prefer that
>> to an hangout
>
> The intention is to do it as a Google+ Hangout, with the meeting being
> recorded and going to YouTube as well.
my reasons for _not_ to use hangout are that it forces people to use
google's plugin, some proprietary piece of software and _also_ prevents
other people from joining the meeting unless they've got the invite
Interesting points, definitely valid. We should probably do a vote on it. :)
if we're doing this to get more people engaged, than we should
definitely find some more open ways to communicate and let other people
join us
Alternative suggestions are welcome of course. Requirement is that they
can be recorded and published effectively, and they allow for high bandwidth
discussion. (not "bandwidth" as in data rate, but "bandwidth" as in
good
communication. Skype, Google Hangouts, etc, enable this.)
>>>> We should book such a channel on a shared calendar
which will eventually
>>>> be published on the website to encourage people join us.
>>>
>>> Very good idea. :)
>>
>> I don't thik there is any calendaring support in redmine, are there
>> proposals for some _open source_ shared calendaring service ?
>
> Good question. :) Do you have time to look into it?
yes, we can very well just use a table on a redmine wiki page, as it
happens for fedora... only I don't have permissions to create pages on
redmine
can anyone grant me the needed permissions?
Try now. I *think* I just managed to give you the needed perms. :)
Though, Etherpad might work as well if we can make it reliable.
(monitoring script needed!)
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5:21 a.m.
New subject: Release Cabal inaugural meeting (and why not to use g+ hangout)
On 11/15/2012 11:22 AM, Justin Clift wrote:
> if we're doing this to get more people engaged, than we
should
> definitely find some more open ways to communicate and let other people
> join us
Alternative suggestions are welcome of course. Requirement is that they
can be recorded and published effectively, and they allow for high bandwidth
discussion. (not "bandwidth" as in data rate, but "bandwidth" as in
good
communication. Skype, Google Hangouts, etc, enable this.)
but who set those requirements? for instance, what should be the need of
a videoconferencing tool? I'll write here my requirements:
- not to force people use closed source software
- let anyone interested join us at anytime
and my proposal is, an #aeolus-meeting channel on freenode
the session can be logged, if really needed
> yes, we can very well just use a table on a redmine wiki page, as
it
> happens for fedora... only I don't have permissions to create pages on
> redmine
>
> can anyone grant me the needed permissions?
Try now. I *think* I just managed to give you the needed perms. :)
following the Publicity Committee idea, here is what I did:
https://redmine.aeolusproject.org/redmine/projects/aeolus/wiki/Release_Cabal
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5:59 a.m.
New subject: Release Cabal inaugural meeting (and why not to use g+ hangout)
On 15/11/2012, at 12:21 PM, Giulio Fidente wrote:
On 11/15/2012 11:22 AM, Justin Clift wrote:
>> if we're doing this to get more people engaged, than we should
>> definitely find some more open ways to communicate and let other people
>> join us
>
> Alternative suggestions are welcome of course. Requirement is that they
> can be recorded and published effectively, and they allow for high bandwidth
> discussion. (not "bandwidth" as in data rate, but "bandwidth" as
in good
> communication. Skype, Google Hangouts, etc, enable this.)
but who set those requirements? for instance, what should be the need of
a videoconferencing tool? I'll write here my requirements:
- not to force people use closed source software
- let anyone interested join us at anytime
and my proposal is, an #aeolus-meeting channel on freenode
the session can be logged, if really needed
Heh, I guess we (Release Cabal members) had better decide/vote on this
before the meeting itself. :)
>> yes, we can very well just use a table on a redmine wiki
page, as it
>> happens for fedora... only I don't have permissions to create pages on
>> redmine
>>
>> can anyone grant me the needed permissions?
>
> Try now. I *think* I just managed to give you the needed perms. :)
following the Publicity Committee idea, here is what I did:
https://redmine.aeolusproject.org/redmine/projects/aeolus/wiki/Release_Cabal
Cool. :)
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12:13 p.m.
New subject: Release Cabal inaugural meeting (and why not to use g+ hangout)
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:59:36PM +0100, Justin Clift wrote:
On 15/11/2012, at 12:21 PM, Giulio Fidente wrote:
> On 11/15/2012 11:22 AM, Justin Clift wrote:
>>> if we're doing this to get more people engaged, than we should
>>> definitely find some more open ways to communicate and let other people
>>> join us
>>
>> Alternative suggestions are welcome of course. Requirement is that they
>> can be recorded and published effectively, and they allow for high bandwidth
>> discussion. (not "bandwidth" as in data rate, but
"bandwidth" as in good
>> communication. Skype, Google Hangouts, etc, enable this.)
>
> but who set those requirements? for instance, what should be the need of
> a videoconferencing tool? I'll write here my requirements:
>
> - not to force people use closed source software
> - let anyone interested join us at anytime
>
> and my proposal is, an #aeolus-meeting channel on freenode
>
> the session can be logged, if really needed
Heh, I guess we (Release Cabal members) had better decide/vote on this
before the meeting itself. :)
Hmm.
Let's have the first meeting on irc, and we can decide whether we need multimedia
meetings going forward.
My view is that we can do what we need to do on irc. We need someone to take meeting notes
and send them out afterwards.
I agree that irc has the lowest barrier to participation.
Posting videos of our hangouts is a nice idea, but who would watch them? We are capable of
producing concise meeting notes. Those are easier to consume than an hour-long video, and
thus better document our work.
s|e
>>> yes, we can very well just use a table on a redmine wiki page, as it
>>> happens for fedora... only I don't have permissions to create pages on
>>> redmine
>>>
>>> can anyone grant me the needed permissions?
>>
>> Try now. I *think* I just managed to give you the needed perms. :)
>
> following the Publicity Committee idea, here is what I did:
> https://redmine.aeolusproject.org/redmine/projects/aeolus/wiki/Release_Cabal
Cool. :)
+ Justin
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2:45 p.m.
New subject: Release Cabal inaugural meeting (and why not to use g+ hangout)
On 11/15/2012 07:13 PM, Steve Linabery wrote:
Hmm.
Let's have the first meeting on irc, and we can decide whether we need multimedia
meetings going forward.
woohoo, thanks for giving this a try!
I've just updated the wiki page
https://redmine.aeolusproject.org/redmine/projects/aeolus/wiki/Release_Cabal
and yes I'm okay with taking some notes during the discussion
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4:46 p.m.
New subject: Release Cabal inaugural meeting (and why not to use g+ hangout)
On 11/15/2012 12:45 PM, Giulio Fidente wrote:
On 11/15/2012 07:13 PM, Steve Linabery wrote:
>
> Hmm.
>
> Let's have the first meeting on irc, and we can decide whether we need multimedia
meetings going forward.
woohoo, thanks for giving this a try!
I've just updated the wiki page
https://redmine.aeolusproject.org/redmine/projects/aeolus/wiki/Release_Cabal
and yes I'm okay with taking some notes during the discussion
MeetBot is available as part of 'supybot'[1] and makes for a very nice
tool for taking note of information, ideas, actions, agreed upon items,
links, and so forth in IRC meetings. If a nick is associated with an
action, those items are sorted by nick, and so forth. For example:
http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-11-14-15.00.html
I maintain 'ovirtbot' for #ovirt, it's fairly straightforward to setup.
Here is more on how it works in a meeting:
http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot
- Karsten
[1] You need 'supybot-gribble' and 'supybot-meetbot' installed along
with a config file.
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6:25 p.m.
New subject: Release Cabal inaugural meeting (and why not to use g+ hangout)
On 11/15/2012 11:46 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
MeetBot is available as part of 'supybot'[1] and makes for a
very nice
tool for taking note of information, ideas, actions, agreed upon items,
links, and so forth in IRC meetings. If a nick is associated with an
action, those items are sorted by nick, and so forth. For example:
http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-11-14-15.00.html
this is great, thanks for suggesting it!
I setup a meetbot which we could use for our first meeting; you can
learn more about the basic commands here:
http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html#tutorial
by now the meetbot will be named 'ambot' in the chan, we can always
change that to something else
I'll get the bot to join tomorrow at 14.45 circa.
Should we decide to keep it, we may try to get it installed on the same
host where the redmine instance is hosted, so that reports become
immediately available after the meetings.
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8:38 p.m.
New subject: Release Cabal inaugural meeting (and why not to use g+ hangout)
On 16/11/2012, at 1:25 AM, Giulio Fidente wrote:
On 11/15/2012 11:46 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> MeetBot is available as part of 'supybot'[1] and makes for a very nice
> tool for taking note of information, ideas, actions, agreed upon items,
> links, and so forth in IRC meetings. If a nick is associated with an
> action, those items are sorted by nick, and so forth. For example:
>
> http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2012/ovirt.2012-11-14-15.00.html
<snip>
Should we decide to keep it, we may try to get it installed on the
same
host where the redmine instance is hosted, so that reports become
immediately available after the meetings.
Cool, that sounds pretty optimal. :)
Regards and best wishes,
Justin Clift
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