11:57 a.m.
Hey,
So is there a plan to begin moving off of Redmine and onto Rally for
CloudEngine?
When can we anticipate this beginning and/or completed?
Thanks,
-Dave
11:58 a.m.
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:57:17PM -0400, Dave Johnson wrote:
Hey,
So is there a plan to begin moving off of Redmine and onto Rally for
CloudEngine?
When can we anticipate this beginning and/or completed?
I do not believe there is. The Rally setup I have seen runs strongly
counter to the aims of an open-source, community-led project.
-- Matt
12:19 p.m.
* Matt Wagner (matt.wagner(a)redhat.com) wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:57:17PM -0400, Dave Johnson wrote:
> So is there a plan to begin moving off of Redmine and onto Rally for
> CloudEngine?
>
> When can we anticipate this beginning and/or completed?
I do not believe there is. The Rally setup I have seen runs strongly
counter to the aims of an open-source, community-led project.
I agree. Also change in process needs to be driven by upstream, and I
haven't noticed this upstream community asking for it.
thanks,
-chris
12:20 p.m.
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 12:58 -0400, Matt Wagner wrote:
I do not believe there is. The Rally setup I have seen runs strongly
counter to the aims of an open-source, community-led project.
Being fairly new to community led projects, in what sense? That Rally
is for Redhat internal and doesn't allow any community visibility?
And just curious, are we beginning to see more community participation
outside of Redhat? (not meaning that potentially low participation now
is a reason to assume that will always be the case and a move to Rally
makes sense)
And how is imagefactory getting around this? Are they not a
community-led?
Just curious... thanks!
-Dave
12:26 p.m.
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 01:20:05PM -0400, Dave Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 12:58 -0400, Matt Wagner wrote:
> I do not believe there is. The Rally setup I have seen runs strongly
> counter to the aims of an open-source, community-led project.
Being fairly new to community led projects, in what sense? That Rally
is for Redhat internal and doesn't allow any community visibility?
I want to be fairly reserved because I haven't actually used Rally in
any serious capacity, but what I have seen has a per-user cost and is
private. We need everything to be public (with the possible exception of
security-sensitive bugs before they are disclosed), and we need everyone
in the world who wishes to contribute to the project, enter a bug report
of feature request, etc. to be able to sign up for an account at no
cost, and with a minimum hassle.
And just curious, are we beginning to see more community
participation
outside of Redhat? (not meaning that potentially low participation now
is a reason to assume that will always be the case and a move to Rally
makes sense)
We have had some community participation outside of Red Hat. It's not
exactly explosive growth, but it's no longer *just* Red Hat. (And, while
I know this isn't the argument you were making, just to be clear -- even
if we had zero interest outside of the company, I don't believe we could
rightly call ourselves a community project if we kept our bugs/feature
tracker private.)
And how is imagefactory getting around this? Are they not a
community-led?
I honestly don't know what they are doing. I'm curious.
-- Matt
12:18 p.m.
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:57:17PM -0400, Dave Johnson wrote:
Hey,
So is there a plan to begin moving off of Redmine and onto Rally for
CloudEngine?
When can we anticipate this beginning and/or completed?
Short answer: no. We will stay on Redmine until the dev and qe teams
decide it would be useful or appropriate to move to another tool. That
time may be never. I am certainly not going to mandate anything about
it.
Take care,
--Hugh
--
== Hugh Brock, hbrock(a)redhat.com ==
== Engineering Manager, Cloud BU ==
== Aeolus Project: Manage virtual infrastructure across clouds. ==
== http://aeolusproject.org ==
"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m
not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
--Robert McCloskey
2:07 p.m.
On 06/15/2012 01:18 PM, Hugh O. Brock wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:57:17PM -0400, Dave Johnson wrote:
> Hey,
>
> So is there a plan to begin moving off of Redmine and onto Rally for
> CloudEngine?
>
> When can we anticipate this beginning and/or completed?
Short answer: no. We will stay on Redmine until the dev and qe teams
decide it would be useful or appropriate to move to another tool. That
time may be never. I am certainly not going to mandate anything about
it.
Take care,
--Hugh
Also, we should be careful on the upstream vs. Red Hat product
distinction. Aeolus is the upstream project, and we use Redmine -- I
haven't seen any serious discussion so far regarding moving to Rally.
Cloud Engine is the Red Hat product, and, as far as I know, nothing on
Redmine today deals explicitly with the red hat product.
Is the question that Aeolus should move from Redmine to Rally or that
Cloud Engine should start using Rally for things (which would leave
upstream to use Redmine as currently)?
Scott
2:49 p.m.
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 03:07:45PM -0400, Scott Seago wrote:
Also, we should be careful on the upstream vs. Red Hat product
distinction. Aeolus is the upstream project, and we use Redmine -- I
haven't seen any serious discussion so far regarding moving to Rally.
Cloud Engine is the Red Hat product, and, as far as I know, nothing
on Redmine today deals explicitly with the red hat product.
Is the question that Aeolus should move from Redmine to Rally or
that Cloud Engine should start using Rally for things (which would
leave upstream to use Redmine as currently)?
This is a good point, and I sort of lumped the two together erroneously,
mostly since this was taking place on the upstream list.
It doesn't really change my mind, though. New feature development should
be taking place upstream first, which means that sprints should be
tracked by Redmine. Red Hat is of course free to do whatever they would
like internally, but it wouldn't be something useful to (or even usable
by) the upstream community.
-- Matt
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