On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 5:21 PM Chris Murphy <lists(a)colorremedies.com&gt; wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_35_Final_Release_Criteria#Bootloade... > > "The installer must allow the user to choose which disk the system > bootloader will be installed to, and to choose not to install one at > all. " > > The "choose not to install one at all" doesn't really apply to UEFI. I > wonder if we can just drop the whole criterion? (I'm still hopeful > that one day the entirety of bootloader UI in the installer goes > away.) > > So what you get is a system without an EFI system partition (or an > existing ESP that isn't used), but all the bootloader stuff is put on > the /boot volume. So it's not going to boot, which makes the > installer's warnings true. The one thing *not* copied for some reason > is the stub grub.cfg. But shim, grub, the real grub.cfg, and BLS > snippets are all there - just on ext4 /boot which the firmware can't > read so the system doesn't boot. It's harmless because the user signed > up for this after all, but it's also kinda pointless. > > > Reproduce steps: > 1. Any that use Anaconda, from any release, but I just used this: > Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-Rawhide-20220119.n.0.iso > 2. Boot it, launch installer > 3. Installation destination keep all defaults > 4. Click blue text at the bottom "Full disk summary and boot loader..." > 5. Select the (in my case single) drive, click the "Do not install > bootloader" button > 6. Close and install > The ability to not install the bootloader is used for creating some of the images. And it's also useful in advanced installations where people are using custom boot managers.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 6:54 AM Peter Robinson <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 2:37 AM Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 5:21 PM Chris Murphy <lists(a)colorremedies.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_35_Final_Release_Criteria#Bootloade... > > > > > > "The installer must allow the user to choose which disk the system > > > bootloader will be installed to, and to choose not to install one at > > > all. " > > > > > > The "choose not to install one at all" doesn't really apply to UEFI. I > > > wonder if we can just drop the whole criterion? (I'm still hopeful > > > that one day the entirety of bootloader UI in the installer goes > > > away.) > > > > > > So what you get is a system without an EFI system partition (or an > > > existing ESP that isn't used), but all the bootloader stuff is put on > > > the /boot volume. So it's not going to boot, which makes the > > > installer's warnings true. The one thing *not* copied for some reason > > > is the stub grub.cfg. But shim, grub, the real grub.cfg, and BLS > > > snippets are all there - just on ext4 /boot which the firmware can't > > > read so the system doesn't boot. It's harmless because the user signed > > > up for this after all, but it's also kinda pointless. > > > > > > > > > Reproduce steps: > > > 1. Any that use Anaconda, from any release, but I just used this: > > > Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-Rawhide-20220119.n.0.iso > > > 2. Boot it, launch installer > > > 3. Installation destination keep all defaults > > > 4. Click blue text at the bottom "Full disk summary and boot loader..." > > > 5. Select the (in my case single) drive, click the "Do not install > > > bootloader" button > > > 6. Close and install > > > > > > > The ability to not install the bootloader is used for creating some of > > the images. And it's also useful in advanced installations where > > people are using custom boot managers. > > Which images? Hmm, now that I look, I guess we're not doing it anymore for the ARM ones. But I think we'll be using that for the RISC-V ones once that gets brought into Fedora.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 2:37 AM Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > The ability to not install the bootloader is used for creating some of > the images. And it's also useful in advanced installations where > people are using custom boot managers. Which images?