11:01 p.m.
Hello,
I'm trying to get Fedora working on my Raspberry Pi 3b+, and have some
questions/issues I don't see addressed in the docs. First off, for this hardware,
should I be using the aarch64 or armhfp images? I've been trying with aarch64 and that
boots, but just wanted to doublecheck. Second, is it possible to get Gnome running? The
"hardware status" wiki page says XFce is recommended, but it's not clear
whether that means Gnome won't work, or if it's just not recommended. I tried the
Workstation image and the firstboot wizard runs successfully, but then when attempting to
login, gnome-shell crashes after chugging for a couple minutes and dumps me back at the
gdm login screen. I tried adding 'cma=192M' to kernel args as suggested on the
wiki, but no change.
If the answer turns out to be the Gnome isn't going to work and I have to go with
Xfce, I don't see an Xfce spin built for aarch64, only armhfp, is that correct? Is
that what I should be using?
Thanks in advance for any help,
3:01 a.m.
I'm trying to get Fedora working on my Raspberry Pi 3b+, and have
some questions/issues I don't see addressed in the docs. First off, for this hardware,
should I be using the aarch64 or armhfp images? I've been trying with aarch64 and that
boots, but just wanted to doublecheck. Second, is it possible to get Gnome running? The
"hardware status" wiki page says XFce is recommended, but it's not clear
whether that means Gnome won't work, or if it's just not recommended. I tried the
Workstation image and the firstboot wizard runs successfully, but then when attempting to
login, gnome-shell crashes after chugging for a couple minutes and dumps me back at the
gdm login screen. I tried adding 'cma=192M' to kernel args as suggested on the
wiki, but no change.
You should use aarch64, we're retiring armhfp post F-36. The problem
with GNOME is that you need to allocate 256Mb of RAM for the GPU for
it to work and then remaining ~768Mb doesn't give you a lot of space
to run an OS and app. Given those constraints it works to some
definition of "work".
If the answer turns out to be the Gnome isn't going to work and I
have to go with Xfce, I don't see an Xfce spin built for aarch64, only armhfp, is that
correct? Is that what I should be using?
There is XFCE for aarch64.
3:40 a.m.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 09:02, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to get Fedora working on my Raspberry Pi 3b+, and have some
questions/issues I don't see addressed in the docs. First off, for this hardware,
should I be using the aarch64 or armhfp images? I've been trying with aarch64 and that
boots, but just wanted to doublecheck. Second, is it possible to get Gnome running? The
"hardware status" wiki page says XFce is recommended, but it's not clear
whether that means Gnome won't work, or if it's just not recommended. I tried the
Workstation image and the firstboot wizard runs successfully, but then when attempting to
login, gnome-shell crashes after chugging for a couple minutes and dumps me back at the
gdm login screen. I tried adding 'cma=192M' to kernel args as suggested on the
wiki, but no change.
You should use aarch64, we're retiring armhfp post F-36. The problem
with GNOME is that you need to allocate 256Mb of RAM for the GPU for
it to work and then remaining ~768Mb doesn't give you a lot of space
to run an OS and app. Given those constraints it works to some
definition of "work".
> If the answer turns out to be the Gnome isn't going to work and I have to go
with Xfce, I don't see an Xfce spin built for aarch64, only armhfp, is that correct?
Is that what I should be using?
There is XFCE for aarch64.
One option is to try and use the server edition which I believe
installs no Desktop Environment,:
https://getfedora.org/en/server/download/
And install via:
sudo dnf groupinstall "Xfce Desktop"
Gnome 3 does work reasonably well on rpi4, but as of now I'm not sure
that's on Fedora's officially supported list.
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5:25 a.m.
On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 9:40 AM Eric Curtin <ecurtin(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 09:02, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to get Fedora working on my Raspberry Pi 3b+, and have some
questions/issues I don't see addressed in the docs. First off, for this hardware,
should I be using the aarch64 or armhfp images? I've been trying with aarch64 and that
boots, but just wanted to doublecheck. Second, is it possible to get Gnome running? The
"hardware status" wiki page says XFce is recommended, but it's not clear
whether that means Gnome won't work, or if it's just not recommended. I tried the
Workstation image and the firstboot wizard runs successfully, but then when attempting to
login, gnome-shell crashes after chugging for a couple minutes and dumps me back at the
gdm login screen. I tried adding 'cma=192M' to kernel args as suggested on the
wiki, but no change.
>
> You should use aarch64, we're retiring armhfp post F-36. The problem
> with GNOME is that you need to allocate 256Mb of RAM for the GPU for
> it to work and then remaining ~768Mb doesn't give you a lot of space
> to run an OS and app. Given those constraints it works to some
> definition of "work".
>
> > If the answer turns out to be the Gnome isn't going to work and I have to
go with Xfce, I don't see an Xfce spin built for aarch64, only armhfp, is that
correct? Is that what I should be using?
>
> There is XFCE for aarch64.
One option is to try and use the server edition which I believe
installs no Desktop Environment,:
https://getfedora.org/en/server/download/
And install via:
sudo dnf groupinstall "Xfce Desktop"
Gnome 3 does work reasonably well on rpi4, but as of now I'm not sure
that's on Fedora's officially supported list.
If by reasonably well you mean that it runs a completely unaccellated
desktop rendered primarily on the CPU sure. The reason RPi4 is still
not officially supported on Fedora is because the accelerated graphics
isn't upstream, I've picked this up and are attempting to get the bits
upstream but time will tell there.
Basically all RPi devices are unobtainable ATM and I don't think here
is "go and buy more HW because the experience is less bad" is the
right response to this thread TBH.
6:06 a.m.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 11:26, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 9:40 AM Eric Curtin <ecurtin(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 09:02, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm trying to get Fedora working on my Raspberry Pi 3b+, and have some
questions/issues I don't see addressed in the docs. First off, for this hardware,
should I be using the aarch64 or armhfp images? I've been trying with aarch64 and that
boots, but just wanted to doublecheck. Second, is it possible to get Gnome running? The
"hardware status" wiki page says XFce is recommended, but it's not clear
whether that means Gnome won't work, or if it's just not recommended. I tried the
Workstation image and the firstboot wizard runs successfully, but then when attempting to
login, gnome-shell crashes after chugging for a couple minutes and dumps me back at the
gdm login screen. I tried adding 'cma=192M' to kernel args as suggested on the
wiki, but no change.
> >
> > You should use aarch64, we're retiring armhfp post F-36. The problem
> > with GNOME is that you need to allocate 256Mb of RAM for the GPU for
> > it to work and then remaining ~768Mb doesn't give you a lot of space
> > to run an OS and app. Given those constraints it works to some
> > definition of "work".
> >
> > > If the answer turns out to be the Gnome isn't going to work and I have
to go with Xfce, I don't see an Xfce spin built for aarch64, only armhfp, is that
correct? Is that what I should be using?
> >
> > There is XFCE for aarch64.
>
> One option is to try and use the server edition which I believe
> installs no Desktop Environment,:
> https://getfedora.org/en/server/download/
>
> And install via:
>
> sudo dnf groupinstall "Xfce Desktop"
>
> Gnome 3 does work reasonably well on rpi4, but as of now I'm not sure
> that's on Fedora's officially supported list.
If by reasonably well you mean that it runs a completely unaccellated
desktop rendered primarily on the CPU sure. The reason RPi4 is still
not officially supported on Fedora is because the accelerated graphics
isn't upstream, I've picked this up and are attempting to get the bits
upstream but time will tell there.
I am grateful to hear this.
Basically all RPi devices are unobtainable ATM and I don't think here
is "go and buy more HW because the experience is less bad" is the
right response to this thread TBH.
I apologize. I was trying to share that this has not been my
experience on rpi4 "gnome-shell crashes after chugging for a couple
minutes and dumps me back at the gdm login screen", but the wrong
response I understand.
12:37 p.m.
Thanks, I see the xfce spin for aarch64 now, I was looking in the wrong
place before. I'm trying it now, and it was able to boot into xfce
successfully without having to add the 'cma=192M' karg mentioned in the
wiki... is that still necessary/recommended? And if so, is 'grubby
--args="cma=192M" --update-kernel=ALL' the correct way to do that?
Kevin Bowen
kevin.t.bowen(a)gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 1:01 AM Peter Robinson <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to get Fedora working on my Raspberry Pi 3b+, and
have some
questions/issues I don't see addressed in the docs. First off, for this
hardware, should I be using the aarch64 or armhfp images? I've been trying
with aarch64 and that boots, but just wanted to doublecheck. Second, is it
possible to get Gnome running? The "hardware status" wiki page says XFce is
recommended, but it's not clear whether that means Gnome won't work, or if
it's just not recommended. I tried the Workstation image and the firstboot
wizard runs successfully, but then when attempting to login, gnome-shell
crashes after chugging for a couple minutes and dumps me back at the gdm
login screen. I tried adding 'cma=192M' to kernel args as suggested on the
wiki, but no change.
You should use aarch64, we're retiring armhfp post F-36. The problem
with GNOME is that you need to allocate 256Mb of RAM for the GPU for
it to work and then remaining ~768Mb doesn't give you a lot of space
to run an OS and app. Given those constraints it works to some
definition of "work".
> If the answer turns out to be the Gnome isn't going to work and I have
to go with Xfce, I don't see an Xfce spin built for aarch64, only armhfp,
is that correct? Is that what I should be using?
There is XFCE for aarch64.
5:43 p.m.
So I managed to answer my own question about the kernel arg - it turned out
to be necessary to get xfce to run stable. Next issue: no sound. The wiki
says the analog audio out is not currently working, but audio over HDMI is,
but I can't get either of them to work - I see an analog and a digital out
in the pulseaudio mixer, but neither of them actually produces any sound.
I've even tried plugging in a usb audio interface (which works seamlessly
under Fedora on my x86 desktops), and it shows up in the pulseaudio mixer,
but no sound. Any ideas?
Another issue: any media apps which use gstreamer throw errors about not
having the right gstreamer plugin (for any/all plugins/formats), despite
the fact that all the plugin packages are installed and gst-inspect shows
all the codecs you would expect. Not sure if this is an arm/rpi specific
issue or specific to this Xfce spin or what
Kevin Bowen
kevin.t.bowen(a)gmail.com <kevin(a)ucsd.edu>
On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:37 AM Kevin Bowen <kevin.t.bowen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks, I see the xfce spin for aarch64 now, I was looking in the
wrong
place before. I'm trying it now, and it was able to boot into xfce
successfully without having to add the 'cma=192M' karg mentioned in the
wiki... is that still necessary/recommended? And if so, is 'grubby
--args="cma=192M" --update-kernel=ALL' the correct way to do that?
Kevin Bowen
kevin.t.bowen(a)gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 1:01 AM Peter Robinson <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > I'm trying to get Fedora working on my Raspberry Pi 3b+, and have some
> questions/issues I don't see addressed in the docs. First off, for this
> hardware, should I be using the aarch64 or armhfp images? I've been trying
> with aarch64 and that boots, but just wanted to doublecheck. Second, is it
> possible to get Gnome running? The "hardware status" wiki page says XFce
is
> recommended, but it's not clear whether that means Gnome won't work, or if
> it's just not recommended. I tried the Workstation image and the firstboot
> wizard runs successfully, but then when attempting to login, gnome-shell
> crashes after chugging for a couple minutes and dumps me back at the gdm
> login screen. I tried adding 'cma=192M' to kernel args as suggested on the
> wiki, but no change.
>
> You should use aarch64, we're retiring armhfp post F-36. The problem
> with GNOME is that you need to allocate 256Mb of RAM for the GPU for
> it to work and then remaining ~768Mb doesn't give you a lot of space
> to run an OS and app. Given those constraints it works to some
> definition of "work".
>
> > If the answer turns out to be the Gnome isn't going to work and I have
> to go with Xfce, I don't see an Xfce spin built for aarch64, only armhfp,
> is that correct? Is that what I should be using?
>
> There is XFCE for aarch64.
>
2:50 a.m.
Does 'aplay -l' list any devices?
Fedora 35 uses pipewire by default for audio. You might check out wireplumber and see if
that is setting the audio up to the correct output device. They should all be listed. And
there have been a few pipewire issues with some audio/video, so try a different sound file
as well. I had to muck around with the settings on x86 to get the correct output on x86
with a usb adapter.
I believe the config.txt is tucked in /boot/efi/config.txt whether it is used or not, I am
unsure.
Especially if you are using a tv this might give a good lead as to where to look next
because it might be slipping into dvi mode as mentioned in the thread.
https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=5062 On Wednesday, February 23, 2022,
06:44:11 PM EST, Kevin Bowen <kevin.t.bowen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
So I managed to answer my own question about the kernel arg - it turned out to be
necessary to get xfce to run stable. Next issue: no sound. The wiki says the analog audio
out is not currently working, but audio over HDMI is, but I can't get either of them
to work - I see an analog and a digital out in the pulseaudio mixer, but neither of them
actually produces any sound. I've even tried plugging in a usb audio interface (which
works seamlessly under Fedora on my x86 desktops), and it shows up in the pulseaudio
mixer, but no sound. Any ideas?
Another issue: any media apps which use gstreamer throw errors about not having the right
gstreamer plugin (for any/all plugins/formats), despite the fact that all the plugin
packages are installed and gst-inspect shows all the codecs you would expect. Not sure if
this is an arm/rpi specific issue or specific to this Xfce spin or what
Kevin Bowen
kevin.t.bowen(a)gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:37 AM Kevin Bowen <kevin.t.bowen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, I see the xfce spin for aarch64 now, I was looking in the wrong place before.
I'm trying it now, and it was able to boot into xfce successfully without having to
add the 'cma=192M' karg mentioned in the wiki... is that still
necessary/recommended? And if so, is 'grubby --args="cma=192M"
--update-kernel=ALL' the correct way to do that?
Kevin Bowen
kevin.t.bowen(a)gmail.com
On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 1:01 AM Peter Robinson <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm trying to get Fedora working on my Raspberry Pi 3b+, and have
some questions/issues I don't see addressed in the docs. First off, for this hardware,
should I be using the aarch64 or armhfp images? I've been trying with aarch64 and that
boots, but just wanted to doublecheck. Second, is it possible to get Gnome running? The
"hardware status" wiki page says XFce is recommended, but it's not clear
whether that means Gnome won't work, or if it's just not recommended. I tried the
Workstation image and the firstboot wizard runs successfully, but then when attempting to
login, gnome-shell crashes after chugging for a couple minutes and dumps me back at the
gdm login screen. I tried adding 'cma=192M' to kernel args as suggested on the
wiki, but no change.
You should use aarch64, we're retiring armhfp post F-36. The problem
with GNOME is that you need to allocate 256Mb of RAM for the GPU for
it to work and then remaining ~768Mb doesn't give you a lot of space
to run an OS and app. Given those constraints it works to some
definition of "work".
If the answer turns out to be the Gnome isn't going to work and I
have to go with Xfce, I don't see an Xfce spin built for aarch64, only armhfp, is that
correct? Is that what I should be using?
There is XFCE for aarch64.
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