On this page it states that the RPi4 is not supported.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Raspberry_Pi#Raspberry_Pi_4
There a lots of messages in this mailing archieve showing that people are getting Fedora to work on RPi4.
Is there still a reason to claim its not supported? If so what should I be watching out for/avoiding with the RPi4?
Barry
Am 18.09.2021 um 21:58 schrieb Barry Scott barry@barrys-emacs.org:
On this page it states that the RPi4 is not supported.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Raspberry_Pi#Raspberry_Pi_4
There a lots of messages in this mailing archieve showing that people are getting Fedora to work on RPi4.
It is pretty well supported. With a firmware newer as about November 2020 you even can easily boot (and completely operate) from USB stick and discard the rather slow cf card. The performance gain is really significant, even with the slightly slower but handsomely unobtrusive small Sandisk Ultra Fit.
Is there still a reason to claim its not supported?
It’s simply a matter of documentation resources. Effectively, RPi4 is the best supported SBC in Fedora, I guess. Right now I'm working on finishing a Fedora Magazine post and an extension to the Fedora Server documentation. If then still no update of the RPi4 article has been done, I would offer on the list to update it.
If so what should I be watching out for/avoiding with the RPi4?
The Fedora Server version works perfectly well (see "Installing Fedora Server on Single Board Computers - Raspberry Pi & Co." / https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/server-installation-sbc https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/server-installation-sbc). Server works without graphical terminal and without WiFi.
Hi,
Am 18.09.21 um 21:58 schrieb Barry Scott:
On this page it states that the RPi4 is not supported.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Raspberry_Pi#Raspberry_Pi_4
yes the statement about hardware support isn't quite correct anymore. But there is still a noticeable difference between the mainline kernel (which Fedora uses) and the vendor kernel from the Raspberry Pi Foundation.
Most notably are: - audio support - V3D support
A lot users doesn't accept this. Instead of blaming the vendor to focus on its own kernel branch, they blame Fedora for using the mainline kernel. So that's the reason to say it's not officially supported.
There a lots of messages in this mailing archieve showing that people are getting Fedora to work on RPi4.
Is there still a reason to claim its not supported? If so what should I be watching out for/avoiding with the RPi4?
For a headless / server setup there shouldn't be no general issues.
Barry
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On 19 Sep 2021, at 11:17, Stefan Wahren stefan.wahren@i2se.com wrote:
Hi,
Am 18.09.21 um 21:58 schrieb Barry Scott: On this page it states that the RPi4 is not supported.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Raspberry_Pi#Raspberry_Pi_4
yes the statement about hardware support isn't quite correct anymore. But there is still a noticeable difference between the mainline kernel (which Fedora uses) and the vendor kernel from the Raspberry Pi Foundation.
Most notably are:
- audio support
- V3D support
An update to say clearly that only server/headless worked then would better the. The blanket “it does not work”. I is only that I looked deeper that I found out that it might work.
Oh and would need a warning that the boot is very slow. I see a black screen for a couple of minutes before I see any output from the kernel or systemd.
A lot users doesn't accept this. Instead of blaming the vendor to focus on its own kernel branch, they blame Fedora for using the mainline kernel. So that's the reason to say it's not officially supported.
There a lots of messages in this mailing archieve showing that people are getting Fedora to work on RPi4.
Is there still a reason to claim its not supported? If so what should I be watching out for/avoiding with the RPi4?
For a headless / server setup there shouldn't be no general issues.
Food to know.
Barry
Barry
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Hi,
On 9/19/21 8:53 AM, Barry wrote:
On 19 Sep 2021, at 11:17, Stefan Wahren stefan.wahren@i2se.com wrote:
Hi,
Am 18.09.21 um 21:58 schrieb Barry Scott: On this page it states that the RPi4 is not supported.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Raspberry_Pi#Raspberry_Pi_4
yes the statement about hardware support isn't quite correct anymore. But there is still a noticeable difference between the mainline kernel (which Fedora uses) and the vendor kernel from the Raspberry Pi Foundation.
Most notably are:
- audio support
- V3D support
An update to say clearly that only server/headless worked then would better the. The blanket “it does not work”. I is only that I looked deeper that I found out that it might work.
Oh and would need a warning that the boot is very slow. I see a black screen for a couple of minutes before I see any output from the kernel or systemd.
That is part of why its still "unsupported", the platform is still a bit unstable in many ways. The slow boot is likely the same as this problem:
https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/1619
which should really be titled "GET_CLOCK behavior change causing problems everywhere". There are various less than ideal workarounds at this point, but for most users the best plan is probably to just revert to an older firmware that works as expected.
Particularly for this problem, it would be useful if you mentioned the uboot version your getting from Fedrora, as AFAIK pbrobinson pushed a workaround to uboot that should make it better.
A lot users doesn't accept this. Instead of blaming the vendor to focus on its own kernel branch, they blame Fedora for using the mainline kernel. So that's the reason to say it's not officially supported.
There a lots of messages in this mailing archieve showing that people are getting Fedora to work on RPi4.
Is there still a reason to claim its not supported? If so what should I be watching out for/avoiding with the RPi4?
For a headless / server setup there shouldn't be no general issues.
Food to know.
Barry
Barry
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On this page it states that the RPi4 is not supported.
That is correct, there's a very large cavernous gap between "may work for a number of purposes including yours" and something that will work for the vast majority of users.
The core "supported" status will change when the standard GUI runs fully accelerated and users have WiFi/sound and the things that are associated with a reasonable desktop experience as that's the default means a lot of new users expect. That's what I, as the RPi maintainer, did when we introduced "supported" RPi3. Any less than that the support queries are too high.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Raspberry_Pi#Raspberry_Pi_4
yes the statement about hardware support isn't quite correct anymore. But there is still a noticeable difference between the mainline kernel (which Fedora uses) and the vendor kernel from the Raspberry Pi Foundation.
Most notably are:
- audio support
- V3D support
Those two are critical.
An update to say clearly that only server/headless worked then would better the. The blanket “it does not work”. I is only that I looked deeper that I found out that it might work.
The Wiki page explicitly does not say "it does not work" it says it's not supported. The words are chosen specifically. By saying it's supported a user can rock up when something doesn't work and ask for support or assistance, if something breaks we block the release etc. By saying it's not supported a user may try it and if it works for them great, but if it breaks while we'll attempt to fix it that may take time and it may not get fixed.
Oh and would need a warning that the boot is very slow. I see a black screen for a couple of minutes before I see any output from the kernel or systemd.
Oh look, a user asking for "support".... see my points above!
A lot users doesn't accept this. Instead of blaming the vendor to focus on its own kernel branch, they blame Fedora for using the mainline kernel. So that's the reason to say it's not officially supported.
It's one reason, but not the only ones.
There a lots of messages in this mailing archieve showing that people are getting Fedora to work on RPi4.
Yes, and that's the idea, a more advanced user will be able to ascertain it works, and it has for a *long* time and likely be able to do most of what they want to do.
Is there still a reason to claim its not supported? If so what should I be watching out for/avoiding with the RPi4?
For a headless / server setup there shouldn't be no general issues.
For a headless server it should be fine, but a general user comes via Fedora Workstation and expect and accelerated desktop and sound and we don't have them working ATM.
Peter - The Fedora Raspberry Pi "maintainer"
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Stefan Wahren