Hello, an interesting discussion is happening on the Fedora devel mailing list about possibly dropping 32-bit ARM (armv7hl) support:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/...
Before proceeding with the idea, I'd like to know what do the ARM people on this list think about it.
Is it crazy, or is it about time?
Hello Miro,
I did not use 32-bit ARM version since many years :) Do we have an idea on how many people are downloading 32-bit and 64-bit ARM images ?
it is about time I guess, especially if it is a pain to maintain :)
Fox
On 8/18/21 10:27 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
Hello, an interesting discussion is happening on the Fedora devel mailing list about possibly dropping 32-bit ARM (armv7hl) support:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/...
Before proceeding with the idea, I'd like to know what do the ARM people on this list think about it.
Is it crazy, or is it about time?
All my ARM boards (basically WandBoard) are, as far as I know, 32-bit-only. Losing 32-bit support would effectively mean I need to find a different distribution for all my devices that I have deployed.
-derek
PS: If I am wrong and the wandboards can run Arm64, I am happy to be corrected.
On Wed, August 18, 2021 12:03 pm, RENARD Pierre-Francois wrote:
Hello Miro,
I did not use 32-bit ARM version since many years :) Do we have an idea on how many people are downloading 32-bit and 64-bit ARM images ?
it is about time I guess, especially if it is a pain to maintain :)
Fox
On 8/18/21 10:27 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
Hello, an interesting discussion is happening on the Fedora devel mailing list about possibly dropping 32-bit ARM (armv7hl) support:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/...
Before proceeding with the idea, I'd like to know what do the ARM people on this list think about it.
Is it crazy, or is it about time?
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Am 18.08.21 um 18:11 schrieb Derek Atkins:
All my ARM boards (basically WandBoard) are, as far as I know, 32-bit-only. Losing 32-bit support would effectively mean I need to find a different distribution for all my devices that I have deployed.
-derek
PS: If I am wrong and the wandboards can run Arm64, I am happy to be corrected.
On Wed, August 18, 2021 12:03 pm, RENARD Pierre-Francois wrote:
Hello Miro,
I did not use 32-bit ARM version since many years :) Do we have an idea on how many people are downloading 32-bit and 64-bit ARM images ?
it is about time I guess, especially if it is a pain to maintain :)
Fox
On 8/18/21 10:27 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
Hello, an interesting discussion is happening on the Fedora devel mailing list about possibly dropping 32-bit ARM (armv7hl) support:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/...
Before proceeding with the idea, I'd like to know what do the ARM people on this list think about it.
Is it crazy, or is it about time?
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Hello together,
I'm using a few odroid hc1 with fedora 32-bit arm.
But I think I've to replace them in the future. Processor is fast enough for me but 2GB RAM is the limit.
Andreas
I use fedora on my Odroid XU4 boards and it works quite nicely. If support were dropped then I guess its time to find another distro for these. However fedora never officially supported Odroid XU4 so not sure where it comes in the consideration.
Michael Whapples
On 18/08/2021 18:59, Andreas Reschke wrote:
Am 18.08.21 um 18:11 schrieb Derek Atkins:
All my ARM boards (basically WandBoard) are, as far as I know, 32-bit-only. Losing 32-bit support would effectively mean I need to find a different distribution for all my devices that I have deployed.
-derek
PS: If I am wrong and the wandboards can run Arm64, I am happy to be corrected.
On Wed, August 18, 2021 12:03 pm, RENARD Pierre-Francois wrote:
Hello Miro,
I did not use 32-bit ARM version since many years :) Do we have an idea on how many people are downloading 32-bit and 64-bit ARM images ?
it is about time I guess, especially if it is a pain to maintain :)
Fox
On 8/18/21 10:27 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
Hello, an interesting discussion is happening on the Fedora devel mailing list about possibly dropping 32-bit ARM (armv7hl) support:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/...
Before proceeding with the idea, I'd like to know what do the ARM people on this list think about it.
Is it crazy, or is it about time?
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Hello together,
I'm using a few odroid hc1 with fedora 32-bit arm.
But I think I've to replace them in the future. Processor is fast enough for me but 2GB RAM is the limit.
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I think that keeping 32-bit ARM support is a good idea, but only if Fedora is willing to cross-compile. Native compilation on ARMv7 is a dead end.
I think that keeping 32-bit ARM support is a good idea, but only if Fedora is willing to cross-compile. Native compilation on ARMv7 is a dead end.
Know a lot of details about the nuances of that for a large complex distribution do you?
On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 6:53 AM Peter Robinson pbrobinson@gmail.com wrote:
I think that keeping 32-bit ARM support is a good idea, but only if Fedora is willing to cross-compile. Native compilation on ARMv7 is a dead end.
Know a lot of details about the nuances of that for a large complex distribution do you?
Lol, +1. I've never had a problem with a native build on a device, even if it is slower.
Cross-compiling is the pits. Constant problems with authors hijacking CPPFLAGS, CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS and LDFLAGS for their own use, which blows away the cross-compile environment we setup for the build. It is a battle just to get them to use AM_CFLAGS (and friends) and leave CFLAGS (and friends) alone. It's very annoying to lose your C compiler and --sysroot because of a shoddy configure.ac.
Jeff
On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 7:10 AM Jeffrey Walton noloader@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 6:53 AM Peter Robinson pbrobinson@gmail.com wrote:
I think that keeping 32-bit ARM support is a good idea, but only if Fedora is willing to cross-compile. Native compilation on ARMv7 is a dead end.
Know a lot of details about the nuances of that for a large complex distribution do you?
Lol, +1. I've never had a problem with a native build on a device, even if it is slower.
Cross-compiling is the pits. Constant problems with authors hijacking CPPFLAGS, CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS and LDFLAGS for their own use, which blows away the cross-compile environment we setup for the build. It is a battle just to get them to use AM_CFLAGS (and friends) and leave CFLAGS (and friends) alone. It's very annoying to lose your C compiler and --sysroot because of a shoddy configure.ac.
I can't +1 this hard enough. Cross-compilation sucks!
Hi Miro,
Sorry for the delay in reply, with the recent work deadlines and then PTO I'm very far behind on Fedora mail. Details below.
Hello, an interesting discussion is happening on the Fedora devel mailing list about possibly dropping 32-bit ARM (armv7hl) support:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/...
Before proceeding with the idea, I'd like to know what do the ARM people on this list think about it.
Is it crazy, or is it about time?
I've reached out to the big users I'm aware of as well as Arm and Arm partners on this, some when this thread emerged, and I'm compiling some details and based on that feedback I'll come back with thoughts and will lead what ever comes out of it.
Peter