Cloud Meeting Minutes 2015-09-16
by Dusty Mabe
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#fedora-meeting-1: Fedora Cloud SIG
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Meeting started by kushal at 17:01:10 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2015-09-16/fedora-meeti...
.
Meeting summary
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* Roll Call (kushal, 17:01:17)
* "Last week action itemds" (dustymabe, 17:04:26)
* ACTION: kushal will test and update the rel-eng ticket with the
latest tree (kushal, 17:07:42)
* ACTION: number80 to update the PRD with i686 details (dustymabe,
17:10:12)
* ACTION: scollier will break up
https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/84 into consumable tickets.
(dustymabe, 17:11:13)
* Investigate systemd-networkd (dustymabe, 17:12:05)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/14 (dustymabe,
17:12:10)
* Care and Feeding, Fedora Dockerfiles (dustymabe, 17:15:40)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/84 (dustymabe,
17:15:49)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/121 (dustymabe,
17:19:41)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/122 (dustymabe,
17:19:58)
* Producing Updated Cloud/Atomic Images (dustymabe, 17:20:20)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/94 (dustymabe,
17:20:33)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/123 (scollier,
17:21:37)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/124 (scollier,
17:23:48)
* We are going to concentrate on F23 release and then produce updated
F23 images using the infrastructure we built (dustymabe, 17:25:55)
* Missing Cockpit RPMs in Fedora Atomic 22 (dustymabe, 17:26:23)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/105 (dustymabe,
17:26:31)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/125 (scollier,
17:27:02)
* LINK: https://hub.docker.com/r/cockpit/ws/ (scollier, 17:29:36)
* PRD Discussion (dustymabe, 17:33:06)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/107 (dustymabe,
17:33:15)
* Text for cloud product on getfedora.org and marketing in general
(dustymabe, 17:34:26)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/108 (dustymabe,
17:34:31)
* Fedora Cloud FAD (late 2015/early 2016) (dustymabe, 17:36:22)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/115 (dustymabe,
17:36:29)
* Fedora Vagrant Boxes in Atlas (dustymabe, 17:37:24)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/116 (dustymabe,
17:37:31)
* Open Floor (dustymabe, 17:45:10)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1261249
(dustymabe, 17:46:15)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1262040
(dustymabe, 17:46:48)
* LINK:
https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/spin-kickstarts.git/commit/?h=f23&id=93...
(dustymabe, 17:47:13)
* LINK: http://tunir.readthedocs.org/en/latest/vagrant.html (kushal,
17:48:21)
* LINK:
http://www.projectatomic.io/blog/2015/09/combined-fedora-centos-atomic-te...
(dustymabe, 17:50:30)
Meeting ended at 17:58:08 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* kushal will test and update the rel-eng ticket with the latest tree
* number80 to update the PRD with i686 details
* scollier will break up https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/84 into
consumable tickets.
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* kushal
* kushal will test and update the rel-eng ticket with the latest tree
* scollier
* scollier will break up https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/84 into
consumable tickets.
* **UNASSIGNED**
* number80 to update the PRD with i686 details
People Present (lines said)
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* dustymabe (160)
* kushal (43)
* jbrooks (17)
* scollier (16)
* roshi (13)
* adimania (10)
* zodbot (9)
* rtnpro (3)
* sayan (1)
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8 years, 7 months
text for getfedora.org website
by Aditya Patawari
Hello,
During the last meeting we talked about the text for gofedora.org. The
current text is good but I suggest something on more positive note.
Current text:
Fedora Cloud provides a minimal image of Fedora for use in public and
private cloud environments. It includes just the bare essentials, so
you get enough to run your cloud application -- and nothing more.
Proposed text:
Fedora Cloud provides a minimal image of Fedora for use in public and
private cloud environments. It includes just the bare essentials
making it very light on resources, so you get enough to run your cloud
application.
--
Aditya Patawari
http://blog.adityapatawari.com/
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adimania
India
8 years, 7 months
Two-Week Atomic actual deliverables
by Matthew Miller
Okay, so, we are getting down to the wire with
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Two_Week_Atomic, and
particularly with the Flock/post-Flock decision to make Atomic the main
thing, there are a few specifics which should be nailed down.
Particularly, I want to call attention to this part of the Change:
In addition to basic "What is this all about?" information, the
website will need text properly setting expectations for development
status, lack of non-automated testing, support level ("you can help
us fix it!"), and so on.
The web team will help us update
<https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/download/>, but they aren't the ones to
write the actual text. I'm thinking a box like this:
Fedora Atomic is meant to represent the leading edge of Project
Atomic development. These releases showcase that work. They've
passed various levels of automated testing, but have not been
hand-vetted.
Please test before using new versions in production. If you do
discover a problem, the Atomic tools make it easy to flip back to an
earlier release — and if that happens, please also help us by filing
bugs or submitting fixes.
Note that different Fedora Atomic media are subject to different
levels of automatic testing. We are making continuous improvements
to these tests; [click here] to learn about the current test status.
"Click here" would go to a page which would describe (and this is the
accurate *current* state as I understand it):
* qcow2/raw.xz downloadable images:
- tunir-based test suite run in a VM
- link to actual tests
- not currently testing in live openstack environment
* Vagrant boxes:
- same tunir-based test suite in VM environemnt
* EC2 AMIs:
- bitwise identical to qcow2/raw.xz images
- basic "does it run?" test in live EC2 environment
* installer ISOs:
- based on Fedora 22 [23, etc] installer (which got full Fedora QA including
manual testing) plus updates (which haven't)
- used to generate all images above, so basic function is verified
- however, not actually tested to boot on non-VM hardware, for UI
problems, etc.
In talking with some of the people doing the actual implementation work
(hi Adam Miller!), there's quite a lot of concern over whether it's
appropriate to include at all the items lower down on the list with
such minimal testing. Particularly, the installer ISO images are not
really like the others.
I'm not sure that the F22 installer ISO got any testing at all for the
F22 release -- it was non blocking and there aren't test cases for it.
But it is on https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/download/atomic.html under
"Other Downloads" on the right. For F23, I suggest keeping it in the
sidebar like that, but with more text explaining that this is available
to test but not supported.
Jumping back up to earlier in this message, an alternative to the
[click here] approach would be to outline the testing level for each
image type in the paragraph right above the download (or launch) link.
But that seems like it might be too much text.
What do you think?
--
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
8 years, 7 months
PRD and Atomic
by Matthew Miller
I know there was just a PRD update. In light of the recent vote to make
Atomic the primary focus rather than just a single feature, I think it
could use another revision, and submission to the Council for review,
particularly as this has a lot of impact on the overall "three
editions" Fedora strategy.
Does anyone want to take a stab at it? Or maybe set up a time for an
online hackfest where we work together on it? (I'm game to help,
although I'm also knee deep in other things I need to be working on.)
As a council member and as one of the FESCo people involved in
selecting cloud as a target focus in the first place, I think this is
a good move. But let's do the process. :)
(Apologies if this was already discussed in IRC or somewhere... I
didn't see any mail about it so I figured I'd kick this off.)
--
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
8 years, 7 months
Re: [CentOS-devel] Atomic SIG: Joint Test Day with Fedora Atomic Folks
by Dusty Mabe
On 08/31/2015 03:40 PM, Dusty Mabe wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> There has been some discussion of doing a joint test day with Fedora
> and CentOS atomic folks. Fedora is having a test day for Fedora Cloud
> base on 9/8 (all are welcome to join us). We were thinking about
> having the joint Fedora/CentOS test day on the following Tuesday
> (9/15). Is this something everyone is interested in?
>
> To do the test day it would be worth having a test day page like [1]
> and some test cases for people to execute. These test cases can
> probably overlap with the one's fedora has.
>
In the CentOS Atomic SIG meeting today we decided that Tuesday the 22nd
would be a good target for this activity. We have planned some
marketing/promotional stuff for this which should come out early next week.
Dusty
8 years, 7 months
Re: cloud Digest, Vol 69, Issue 10
by Zack Cylinder
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On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:29 PM, <cloud-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: [cloud] #106: No longer provide 32 bit image
> (Fedora Cloud Trac Tickets)
> 2. Re: [cloud] #113: Ship with firewall on by default
> (Fedora Cloud Trac Tickets)
> 3. Re: [cloud] #118: Deliverables (Fedora Cloud Trac Tickets)
> 4. Re: [cloud] #118: Deliverables (Fedora Cloud Trac Tickets)
> 5. [proposal] Joint meetings between upstream Atomic/Fedora
> Cloud WG (Haïkel)
> 6. Re: [cloud] #118: Deliverables (Fedora Cloud Trac Tickets)
> 7. Re: [cloud] #105: Missing Cockpit RPMs in Fedora Atomic 22
> (Fedora Cloud Trac Tickets)
> 8. Re: [proposal] Joint meetings between upstream Atomic/Fedora
> Cloud WG (Joe Brockmeier)
> 9. atomic builds still broken (Dusty Mabe)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 17:32:15 -0000
> From: "Fedora Cloud Trac Tickets" <cloud-trac(a)fedoraproject.org>
> To: dennis(a)ausil.us, dustymabe(a)gmail.com, karlthered(a)gmail.com,
> jzb(a)redhat.com, kushal(a)fedoraproject.org, mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org
> ,
> oddshocks(a)riseup.net, roshi(a)fedoraproject.org, znmeb(a)znmeb.net
> Cc: cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: [cloud] #106: No longer provide 32 bit image
> Message-ID: <036.0178a9ccb38b8401c78a3da8cd3404d3(a)fedoraproject.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> #106: No longer provide 32 bit image
> ------------------------------+------------------------
> Reporter: dustymabe | Owner: oddshocks
> Type: task | Status: closed
> Priority: normal | Milestone: Future
> Component: Cloud Base Image | Resolution: fixed
> Keywords: meeting |
> ------------------------------+------------------------
> Changes (by roshi):
>
> * status: assigned => closed
> * resolution: => fixed
>
>
> Comment:
>
> This seems to be pretty much wrapped up. Closing. Thanks all!
>
> --
> Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/106#comment:18>
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>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 17:44:19 -0000
> From: "Fedora Cloud Trac Tickets" <cloud-trac(a)fedoraproject.org>
> To: mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org, roshi(a)fedoraproject.org,
> ryansb(a)fedoraproject.org
> Cc: cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: [cloud] #113: Ship with firewall on by default
> Message-ID: <036.557d2b4f970225d3f387e1b532608851(a)fedoraproject.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> #113: Ship with firewall on by default
> -----------------------+----------------------
> Reporter: dustymabe | Owner:
> Type: task | Status: closed
> Priority: normal | Milestone: Future
> Component: --- | Resolution: invalid
> Keywords: meeting |
> -----------------------+----------------------
> Changes (by roshi):
>
> * resolution: => invalid
> * status: new => closed
>
>
> Comment:
>
> Going to close this ticket, as everything seems to be working as expected
> - no firewall on or configured by default.
>
> --
> Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/113#comment:3>
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> Fedora Cloud Working Group Ticketing System
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 17:59:48 -0000
> From: "Fedora Cloud Trac Tickets" <cloud-trac(a)fedoraproject.org>
> To: dustymabe(a)gmail.com, karlthered(a)gmail.com, jkurik(a)redhat.com,
> mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org, roshi(a)fedoraproject.org
> Cc: cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: [cloud] #118: Deliverables
> Message-ID: <032.985e63ffc211bffb2ff96d7e4b8341cd(a)fedoraproject.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> #118: Deliverables
> ---------------------+---------------------
> Reporter: roshi | Owner:
> Type: task | Status: new
> Priority: normal | Milestone: Future
> Component: --- | Resolution:
> Keywords: meeting |
> ---------------------+---------------------
>
> Comment (by dustymabe):
>
> +1
>
> One thing to note is that right now our AMIs aren't uploading so we need
> to get that fixed soon so we can test for F23.
>
> --
> Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/118#comment:6>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 18:00:51 -0000
> From: "Fedora Cloud Trac Tickets" <cloud-trac(a)fedoraproject.org>
> To: dustymabe(a)gmail.com, karlthered(a)gmail.com, jkurik(a)redhat.com,
> kushal(a)fedoraproject.org, mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org,
> roshi(a)fedoraproject.org
> Cc: cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: [cloud] #118: Deliverables
> Message-ID: <032.53091635f792594ccabc01df1889fb61(a)fedoraproject.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> #118: Deliverables
> ---------------------+---------------------
> Reporter: roshi | Owner:
> Type: task | Status: new
> Priority: normal | Milestone: Future
> Component: --- | Resolution:
> Keywords: meeting |
> ---------------------+---------------------
>
> Comment (by kushal):
>
> +1 from me.
>
> --
> Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/118#comment:7>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 20:02:35 +0200
> From: Haïkel <hguemar(a)fedoraproject.org>
> To: Fedora Cloud SIG <cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>,
> atomic-devel(a)projectatomic.io
> Subject: [proposal] Joint meetings between upstream Atomic/Fedora
> Cloud WG
> Message-ID:
> <
> CAHaCVFBVpYJBQc50SRnT-RyA7YAGvciSUqGDd7L6XGLG-B8zjQ(a)mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi,
>
> as you know, Fedora Cloud WG decided that starting F24, Fedora Atomic will
> be the main Fedora Cloud product.
>
> I respect that Project Atomic is not limited to Fedora, but currently,
> it gives the
> feeling that Fedora Atomic and Fedora Cloud SIG are separate groups.
> And this is definitively wrong.
>
> So I suggest that every two weeks, we hold joint meetings as in merging
> our weekly meetings not adding a new one. This will enable us to work
> together more efficiently.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> H.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 18:02:59 -0000
> From: "Fedora Cloud Trac Tickets" <cloud-trac(a)fedoraproject.org>
> To: dustymabe(a)gmail.com, karlthered(a)gmail.com, jkurik(a)redhat.com,
> kushal(a)fedoraproject.org, mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org,
> roshi(a)fedoraproject.org
> Cc: cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: [cloud] #118: Deliverables
> Message-ID: <032.a47514e9415ac8ea4ba1f28e39ecc1c3(a)fedoraproject.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> #118: Deliverables
> ---------------------+---------------------
> Reporter: roshi | Owner:
> Type: task | Status: closed
> Priority: normal | Milestone: Future
> Component: --- | Resolution: fixed
> Keywords: meeting |
> ---------------------+---------------------
> Changes (by roshi):
>
> * status: new => closed
> * resolution: => fixed
>
>
> Comment:
>
> I'll update the signed off bit on the wiki page [0]. Thanks all!
>
> [0]
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Program_Management/ReleaseBlocking/...
>
> --
> Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/118#comment:8>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 18:06:55 -0000
> From: "Fedora Cloud Trac Tickets" <cloud-trac(a)fedoraproject.org>
> To: dennis(a)ausil.us, dustymabe(a)gmail.com, jbrooks(a)redhat.com,
> jzb(a)redhat.com, kushal(a)fedoraproject.org,
> mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org,
> emailscottcollier(a)gmail.com, walters(a)redhat.com
> Cc: cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: [cloud] #105: Missing Cockpit RPMs in Fedora Atomic 22
> Message-ID: <030.9785d760d712ea472ee623b2cb495cca(a)fedoraproject.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> #105: Missing Cockpit RPMs in Fedora Atomic 22
> -------------------------------+--------------------------
> Reporter: jzb | Owner: jasonbrooks
> Type: defect | Status: assigned
> Priority: blocker | Milestone: Fedora 22
> Component: Docker Host Image | Resolution:
> Keywords: meeting |
> -------------------------------+--------------------------
>
> Comment (by jasonbrooks):
>
> Now on the wiki at
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Tutorials/cockpit-
> in-a-container
>
> --
> Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/105#comment:24>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 14:52:20 -0400
> From: Joe Brockmeier <jzb(a)redhat.com>
> To: cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, "atomic-devel(a)projectatomic.io"
> <atomic-devel(a)projectatomic.io>, "The CentOS developers
> mailing list."
> <centos-devel(a)centos.org>
> Subject: Re: [proposal] Joint meetings between upstream Atomic/Fedora
> Cloud WG
> Message-ID: <55F07FE4.6090001(a)redhat.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On 09/09/2015 02:02 PM, Haïkel wrote:
> > So I suggest that every two weeks, we hold joint meetings as in merging
> > our weekly meetings not adding a new one. This will enable us to work
> > together more efficiently.
> >
> > Your thoughts?
>
> So - we don't do separate Project Atomic meetings - there's the CentOS
> SIG meeting and Fedora Cloud. I'm amenable to doing just one joint
> meeting or finding some way to merge them, though.
>
> Also cc'ing the CentOS devel list.
> --
> Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS
> jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
> Twitter: @jzb | http://dissociatedpress.net/
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 00:29:20 -0400
> From: Dusty Mabe <dusty(a)dustymabe.com>
> To: cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: atomic builds still broken
> Message-ID: <20150910042920.GA23101(a)media.redhat.com>
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>
> >From what I can tell the the atomic builds are still broken [1]. The
> cloud base builds are working [2]. I was able to perform a localbuild
> by changing the "Install Tree" from [3] to match what is set for the cloud
> base build [4].
>
> Is that the problem that is breaking the builds? How do we get the
> location updated?
>
> The good news is that I get an image that is finally built against
> F23!
>
> <<<<<<
> -bash-4.3# cat /etc/redhat-release
> Fedora release 23 (Twenty Three)
> <<<<<<
>
> The bad news is that we are still having the same "mounting" problems
> that we were seeing in the rawhide builds where sysroot isn't mounted
> properly:
>
> <<<<<<
> -bash-4.3# ls /sysroot/
> -bash-4.3# rpm-ostree status
> error: No such file or directory
> <<<<<<
>
> Any tips for getting these issues fixed?
>
> Dusty
>
> [1] - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=11016111
> [2] - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=10985173
> [3] - http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/atomic/23/
> [4] -
> http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/branched-20150907/23/x86_64/os/
>
>
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