On 02/08/2017 10:12 AM, James Hogarth wrote: Given both the complexity of the environment (requiring unsupported PHP versions) and the unrest caused by the owncloud/nextcloud fork, is this really something that should be pushed through at this time?

On Wed, 2017-02-08 at 14:10 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: This seems entirely likely, but it seems very unlikely that anyone upstream (at either OC or NC) gives a damn about making it work on PHP 5.4. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

On 8 February 2017 at 22:16, Josh Berkus <jberkus(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: So we had a productive chat on IRC and for others to follow (I'll quote previous emails as best I can so please bear with me, it's late and nextcloud.spec is hurting my brain) ... On 8 February 2017 at 22:04, Mats Wichmann <mats(a)wichmann.us&gt; wrote: I'm working on nextcloud packaging at the moment and intend to maintain both owncloud and nextcloud in Fedora until one or the other project eventually folds. The exact same work in developing guidelines and how we handle builds and so on are involved for both owncloud and nextcloud ... and the eventual result of this review will serve as the basis for an almost identical nextcloud one a little way down the line. WIth regards to PHP versions - don't pay any attention to them. It's irrelevant to this review and this particular discussion as Fedora only ships on PHP version and we maintainers (primarily myself but Remi is a fantastic help) ensure that it's supported and stuff works - eg backporting fixes for PHP7.1 since that will be coming in Fedora 26 and owncloud only intend to support that as of owncloud 10. The version of owncloud and PHP in the container are what we ship in Fedora and what we support in Fedora. On Wed, 2017-02-08 at 14:10 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote: We already support in Fedora :) You may not be aware but in December 2015 (I think? time flies ...) we did a huge amount of clear up of the spec, added the PHP Fedora autoloader stuff to make picking up the right dependencies much clearer and fully unbundled all PHP libraries as part of that. We also have testing in the spec file to ensure the autoloader.php can load all the required libraries etc. Most of the same names that were involved in owncloud are involved in nextcloud, I'm not expecting any changes in terms of how they support distributions packaging their application. They don't - both are dropping PHP5.4 support, which is irrelevant to Fedora but does affect EPEL7, which is one of the reasons I want to get a Fedora based container going... outside of the general use of it. As of owncloud 10 (9.2 got bumped to 10 for the next release) php5.4 won't be supported. As of nextcloud 12 then php5.4 won't be supported. But, again, this is irrelevant to Fedora and we will always support, backporting if required, our owncloud and nexcloud packages In Fedora on whatever PHP version that release ships. Hope that clears up a few things there and I hope we can work on whatever updates to guidelines, processes or similar are required to get something we can all be happy with in this SIG and the PHP group as well.