Fedora CoreOS Meeting Minutes 2020-03-25
by Dusty Mabe
Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-03-25/fedora_core...
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-03-25/fedora_core...
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-03-25/fedora_core...
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#fedora-meeting-1: fedora_coreos_meeting
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Meeting started by bgilbert at 16:31:45 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-03-25/fedora_core...
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Meeting summary
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* roll call (bgilbert, 16:31:51)
* Action items from last meeting (dustymabe, 16:35:58)
* no action items from last meeting \o/ (dustymabe, 16:36:24)
* RFC: Adding a Network TUI (dustymabe, 16:36:48)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/427
(dustymabe, 16:36:55)
* LINK:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-coreos/bare-metal/#_installin...
(dustymabe, 16:58:18)
* dustymabe will record a summary of this discussion in ticket #427
(dustymabe, 17:18:42)
* AGREED: Right now we'd like to explore the implementation of using
the live ISO installer environment to present a TUI to the user to
see if that solves the pain points for our users (dustymabe,
17:22:22)
* open floor (dustymabe, 17:22:40)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/432
(dustymabe, 17:27:10)
Meeting ended at 17:37:48 UTC.
Action Items
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
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* dustymabe (104)
* bgilbert (49)
* shivarammysore (32)
* zodbot (23)
* red_beard (19)
* cyberpear (15)
* jlebon (15)
* darkmuggle (12)
* lorbus (9)
* rfairley (4)
* jbrooks (2)
* davdunc (2)
* skunkerk (1)
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4 years, 1 month
Fedora CoreOS Meeting Minutes 2020-03-18
by Dusty Mabe
Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-03-18/fedora_core...
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-03-18/fedora_core...
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-03-18/fedora_core...
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#fedora-meeting-1: fedora_coreos_meeting
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Meeting started by dustymabe at 16:29:50 UTC. The full logs are
available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-03-18/fedora_core...
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Meeting summary
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* roll call (dustymabe, 16:29:55)
* Fedora CoreOS content for Community Central for RH Virtual Summit
(dustymabe, 16:34:45)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/416
(dustymabe, 16:34:51)
* dustymabe will update #416 with suggestions for talk/demo for the
Red Hat Summit virtual event and ask about deadline for such content
(dustymabe, 16:57:43)
* talks for upcoming conferences (dustymabe, 16:58:57)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/420
(dustymabe, 16:59:04)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/421
(dustymabe, 16:59:11)
* Integrate FCOS better into the existing Fedora release process
(dustymabe, 17:08:03)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/426
(dustymabe, 17:08:11)
* LINK: https://builds.coreos.fedoraproject.org/browser (jlebon,
17:17:55)
* LINK:
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/blob/master/stream-toolin...
(dustymabe, 17:18:17)
* open floor (dustymabe, 17:29:18)
Meeting ended at 17:33:39 UTC.
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* dustymabe (104)
* jlebon (35)
* zodbot (19)
* cyberpear (13)
* davdunc (13)
* red_beard (10)
* bgilbert (9)
* miabbott (2)
* ksinny (2)
* skunkerk (1)
* mnguyen_ (1)
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Re: Emerging editions, Fedora 32 Beta, and bureaucracy
by Dusty Mabe
On 3/17/20 2:01 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hey Adam,
<snip>
>
> 3) CoreOS - CoreOS is just a *whole* other thing. It is not built like
> the rest of Fedora at all. It's not built as Pungi composes, whatever
> compose process it does have doesn't run alongside our other compose
> processes or output to the same locations, it's like a whole other
> product. It also doesn't seem to be terribly well documented (I can't
> find any detail on the wiki, docs sites, or any of the git repos I
> happen to know of) or even introspectable - for instance, ISO locations
> look like
> https://builds.coreos.fedoraproject.org/prod/streams/stable/builds/31.202...
> , but if you try and browse around that tree by visiting URLs like
> https://builds.coreos.fedoraproject.org/prod/streams/ , you just
> get 'Access Denied'. So if the process appears to have broken down and
> some poor monkey like me is left trying to help people figure out where
> they can get a 'Fedora CoreOS 32' image to try - it isn't very easy.
> Right now I simply have no clue if there is something you could
> reasonably call 'Fedora CoreOS 32 Beta' or a decent analogue of it.
You have reasonable points here. I do agree that the current state of integration
between Fedora CoreOS and the rest of Fedora is not quite complete. Part of the
reason for this is that we've been working hard on building Fedora CoreOS from
the ground up and getting it out the door. There are two things here worth being
explicit about:
1. Fedora CoreOS is today not composed by pungi on Fedora infra. It is composed
using coreos-assembler[1] in CentOS CI. I think this fundamental difference
is the root to a lot of the mystery here surrounding FCOS. People integrated
into Fedora processes are familiar with pungi and how it works. OTOH, I'm
sure not many of us are familiar with coreos-assembler.
2. Fedora CoreOS follows a rolling release model, where by design, we don't want
people to care about whether they're on f31 or f32 (at least in principle).
For FCOS, the f32 update just goes out like any other update when we're ready
to do the cutover. Thus, sentences like "Fedora CoreOS 32" don't have quite
the same meaning as for e.g. Workstation or Server. That said, Fedora CoreOS
does have more streams than just stable and testing, and one of those streams
should be $((N+1))-based. So we definitely could have some marketing/banners/whatever
to point people at. Right now there is not yet a F32 based coreos, but there
will be soon as part of our `next` stream [2].
That said, we know there is work to do to make things better understood and more
predictable from the rest of Fedora's point of view. Note that there was a lot of
hard work to integrate and participate in more Fedora processes as Fedora Atomic
Host matured. Know that this work will come as we finish building out the more
foundational pieces of Fedora CoreOS. We have opened a discussion ticket [3] for
this in our issue tracker, which is where our meeting topics get sourced from and
our discussions generally take place.
[1] https://github.com/coreos/coreos-assembler
[2] https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/283
[3] https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/426.
4 years, 2 months
Fedora CoreOS Meeting Minutes 2020-03-11
by Dusty Mabe
Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-03-11/fedora_core...
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-03-11/fedora_core...
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-03-11/fedora_core...
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#fedora-meeting-1: fedora_coreos_meeting
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Meeting started by dustymabe at 16:31:27 UTC. The full logs are
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Meeting summary
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* roll call (dustymabe, 16:31:32)
* Action items from last meeting (dustymabe, 16:37:06)
* Garbage collection policy for OS releases (dustymabe, 16:37:58)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/99
(dustymabe, 16:38:05)
* we agree that we should prune things. we have limited the scope for
now to non-production streams of FCOS. jlebon will add more info to
#99 about the next steps (dustymabe, 16:54:31)
* Consider adding kernel command-line argument for automatically logging
in on console (dustymabe, 16:54:42)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/112
(dustymabe, 16:54:48)
* LINK:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-coreos/access-recovery/
(jlebon, 17:01:04)
* LINK:
https://github.com/coreos/coreos-installer/commit/15a79263d0bd5d72056a608...
(dustymabe, 17:17:09)
* we'll investigate allowing the use of `single` with a locked root
account to see if that gives us the ergonomics we want for debugging
user's issues (dustymabe, 17:18:55)
* Kubernetes requires conntrack binary (dustymabe, 17:22:58)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/404
(dustymabe, 17:23:05)
* punting the conversation on this to a later meeting. will ask user
for more clarification for now (dustymabe, 17:28:40)
* open floor (dustymabe, 17:30:08)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/416
(dustymabe, 17:31:13)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/420
(dustymabe, 17:31:21)
* LINK: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/421
(dustymabe, 17:31:32)
* We have Red Hat Summit (now a virtual event), devconf.us, and Flock
upcoming later this year please consider what we (the FCOS
community) can do to contribute to these events see details in
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/416
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/420
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/421
(dustymabe, 17:32:39)
* support for 4k drives coming in
https://github.com/coreos/coreos-assembler/pull/1130 (dustymabe,
17:40:09)
Meeting ended at 17:40:18 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* dustymabe (125)
* jlebon (40)
* bgilbert (25)
* zodbot (19)
* cyberpear (12)
* bcotton (9)
* jdoss (4)
* skunkerk (4)
* slowrie (2)
* walters (2)
* darkmuggle (1)
* miabbott (1)
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