I am deliberately not comment on all of the points raised because I feel
like a few of the questions raised need more clarification first.
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017, at 06:17 AM, Athos Ribeiro wrote:
tl;dr: FUDCons should not exist, they are segregating. Take ppl to
Flock
with the budget instead.
At first, I joined Fedora because I wanted to maintain a few packages
that were important to some Brazilian government projects. Later I got to
meet the Fedora LATAM community. Long story short, I understood that, if
I was part of the LATAM community, I would actually be able to understand
and help it.
Unrelated - I'd love to see an interview published about your experience
joining as it is a great story to publicize.
When I decided to join the community, I was told that there were no
active mentors in Brazil, but since I was already an active contributor,
it would be ok. I was then accepted as a Fedora ambassador without
reading a single wiki page (or at least, nobody asked me if I did) and
without even ever knowing who my mentor was (please, see [1]).
A few weeks after that I was chairing LATAM ambassadors meetings. The
only reason that happened was because I read supybot's manual, so
whenever the chair wouldn't show up, I would start the meeting myself.
Long story short: I lead (or led) some of the LATAM meetings.
We barely use our budget, as you can find out in our balance, which is
not open.
The budget is open now. See the budget data in the budget pagure repo.
The website to publish the data is also about 80% complete on the first
draft and i hope to have it published after FOSDEM.
The complains here are about the delay on reimbursements, which
are caused for lack of training on how to fill tickets, which is
understandable, since some ambassadors (like me) do not have mentors.
Remember that being a mentor here is pretty much like being a king:
the
last mentor must make you the next mentor for that country ( that's how
it works in LATAM). Sometimes they stop contributing and do not assign
new mentors.
This sounds like a great topic to take up with FAmSCo to work on whether
we need a better global baselline that each region can modify. It may
also be the case that learning what other regions do is helpful.
In my country, the newest ambassador is a Red Hat employee
who nobody ever heard about: go figure.
I am not sure what you are getting at here. I will simply say that RH
employee status is not something that I would use within this context.
As bex said (and maybe was too kind about it), FUDCon is a GREAT
event,
it DOES bring LATAM community together, but there are no contributions
coming out of it. It is pretty much an even to talk about Fedora or other
technologies to users OR to students (windows users). OK. These are
developing countries and we want to take Fedora there to get a bigger
user base and bring new contributors on board. The problem is that, in
the end, FUDCon IS a segregating event to keep LATAM and APAC
contributors away. Before judging this statement, PLEASE, read [2], [3],
[4] and [5]. In the end of the day, FUDCon is not a good event for long
term contributors and these contributors are not allowed to get funded to
attend Flock. I'd rather see FUDCons extinguished, using the budget to
take a few people from LATAM to Flock, who could then transfer knowledge
to people here in release parties or FADs, than having people who can
NEVER even see the guys who develop koji* or take care of
infrastructure i
n person.
Look at other communities like Debian (that organized a very successful
DebConf in Nicaragua in 2012) and OpenSUSE for reference.
Can you provide more details on the these conferences and why you think
they were successes? This will help readers who are not as familiar
with the workings of these two communities.
regards,
bex
> PS: This is not a post against the LATAM community at all: Some people
> here like echevemaster, potty, neville, itamar and mayorga are very
> competent. My point is that they should be spending their time focusing
> on Fedora problems instead of local community problems (we have other ppl
> to do that).
>
> * Dennis Gilmore loves attending FUDCon LATAM - we love you Dennis ;)
>
> [1]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_start
> [2]
>
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/flock-planning@lists.fedora...
> [3]
>
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ambassadors@lists.fedorapro...
> [4]
>
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/flock-planning@lists.fedora...
> [5]
>
https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-06-03/latam_amb...
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