Hello.
I was playing with some photos and this mockup came out. What do you think?
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12.png http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12-1.png
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:45:23PM +1930, María Leandro wrote:
Hello.
I was playing with some photos and this mockup came out. What do you think?
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12.png http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12-1.png
I absolutely positively love it. :)
What are the source files?
This are the photos I use. I first ask permission to use them (positively) but the images already had a good licence [1]
[1] http://www.sxc.hu/help/7_2
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/786380
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1182234
I have the xcf source... but is a 69Mb file :S
2009/7/14 Ian Weller ian@ianweller.org:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:45:23PM +1930, María Leandro wrote:
Hello.
I was playing with some photos and this mockup came out. What do you think?
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12.png http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12-1.png
I absolutely positively love it. :)
What are the source files?
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On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 03:19:11PM -0430, María Leandro wrote:
This are the photos I use. I first ask permission to use them (positively) but the images already had a good licence [1]
[1] http://www.sxc.hu/help/7_2
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/786380
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1182234
I have the xcf source... but is a 69Mb file :S
I'm not so sure about that licensing. Here's what the acutal license text includes:
"* SELLING AND REDISTRIBUTION OF THE IMAGE (INDIVIDUALLY OR ALONG WITH OTHER IMAGES) IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN! DO NOT SHARE THE IMAGE WITH OTHERS!"
This clause makes the images non-usable for Fedora, unless the author specifically makes them available to us under a truly free license. There are other clauses in the license for these images that are problems too, such as requiring the recipient to restrict how they are used. Unfortunately "royalty-free" is not automatically free enough.
How do we handle it when an artist gives us explicit permission to use their art, regardless of the licensing? Every time I've approached someone about using/altering a photo with a CC license they are thrilled, and I can credit them in context. Seeing as we can't stamp 'photo by: " on our wallpaper do we need to ask them to agree to a non attribution use? Is this in the wiki and I just not see it?
Angie
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 03:19:11PM -0430, María Leandro wrote:
This are the photos I use. I first ask permission to use them (positively) but the images already had a good licence [1]
[1] http://www.sxc.hu/help/7_2
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/786380
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1182234
I have the xcf source... but is a 69Mb file :S
I'm not so sure about that licensing. Here's what the acutal license text includes:
"* SELLING AND REDISTRIBUTION OF THE IMAGE (INDIVIDUALLY OR ALONG WITH OTHER IMAGES) IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN! DO NOT SHARE THE IMAGE WITH OTHERS!"
This clause makes the images non-usable for Fedora, unless the author specifically makes them available to us under a truly free license. There are other clauses in the license for these images that are problems too, such as requiring the recipient to restrict how they are used. Unfortunately "royalty-free" is not automatically free enough.
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On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 08:55:32PM -0500, angella inzinga wrote:
How do we handle it when an artist gives us explicit permission to use their art, regardless of the licensing? Every time I've approached someone about using/altering a photo with a CC license they are thrilled, and I can credit them in context. Seeing as we can't stamp 'photo by: " on our wallpaper do we need to ask them to agree to a non attribution use? Is this in the wiki and I just not see it?
Really, we need a license that allows us to redistribute to others with the same rights we have to use, modify and redistribute. In other words, an artist can't just give us permission to use the art ourselves. The easiest way to do that is for the artist to agree to license it to us with a Creative Commons license, Attribution-ShareAlike being the preferred one I believe.
On 07/14/2009 04:55 AM, angella inzinga wrote:
How do we handle it when an artist gives us explicit permission to use their art, regardless of the licensing? Every time I've approached someone about using/altering a photo with a CC license they are thrilled, and I can credit them in context. Seeing as we can't stamp 'photo by: " on our wallpaper do we need to ask them to agree to a non attribution use? Is this in the wiki and I just not see it?
As Paul replied, we are fine with CC Attribution and Attribution ShareAlike. We believe correct attribution is done by mentioning the original author in the wiki page and (I hope we do that too) in the license of the RPM package.
On 07/13/2009 10:15 PM, María Leandro wrote:
Hello.
I was playing with some photos and this mockup came out. What do you think?
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12.png http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12-1.png
Nice! I like best the second, with less bright colors.
However, (and I am NOT a specialist in the area) I'm not sure we have the cultural context right: those are some Muslim buildings(Hagia Sophia), not the city of Constantine: after Constantinople was conquered in 1453 by the Ottoman Empire it became Istanbul and was dramatically changed regardin its architecture
[1] See Hagia Sophia of today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aya_sofya.jpg and a depiction of its supposed original image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hagia_Sophia_BW.jpg
Hi Maria,
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 14:45 +1930, María Leandro wrote:
Hello.
I was playing with some photos and this mockup came out. What do you think?
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12.png http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12-1.png
I think this is a really beautiful effect you've achieved here - it looks like you may have duplicated the builds layer and offset it slightly? And maybe used some filters or blending modes? Looks like a blue layer blended on top of the clouds?
~m
kind of.
I got a double layer of the clouds and use the Sobel filter, then apply multiply to the layer mode and that was it. :D
2009/7/15 Máirín Duffy mairin@linuxgrrl.com:
Hi Maria,
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 14:45 +1930, María Leandro wrote:
Hello.
I was playing with some photos and this mockup came out. What do you think?
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12.png http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12-1.png
I think this is a really beautiful effect you've achieved here - it looks like you may have duplicated the builds layer and offset it slightly? And maybe used some filters or blending modes? Looks like a blue layer blended on top of the clouds?
~m
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Very cool works Maria!
Just a question for Máirín: you say to not use again bitmap graphic didn't you? But if now we can I will more happy about it. In this case I will close right now my inkscape and start again :D
Samuele
----- Original Message ----- From: "María Leandro" tatica@fedoraproject.org To: "Fedora Design Team" design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009 16:27:48 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: [Design-team] Constantine theme mockup
kind of.
I got a double layer of the clouds and use the Sobel filter, then apply multiply to the layer mode and that was it. :D
2009/7/15 Máirín Duffy mairin@linuxgrrl.com:
Hi Maria,
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 14:45 +1930, María Leandro wrote:
Hello.
I was playing with some photos and this mockup came out. What do you think?
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12.png http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Themes/pruebas-f12-1.png
I think this is a really beautiful effect you've achieved here - it looks like you may have duplicated the builds layer and offset it slightly? And maybe used some filters or blending modes? Looks like a blue layer blended on top of the clouds?
~m
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On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 16:57 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote:
Very cool works Maria!
Just a question for Máirín: you say to not use again bitmap graphic didn't you? But if now we can I will more happy about it. In this case I will close right now my inkscape and start again :D
We would much prefer a vector-based graphic as the default wallpaper. As María said, her XCF was 69 MB. This would make it very difficult for others to work on the file.
~m
Yes I know.
But my question is: we can or we can't? 'Cause I really prefer bitmap for wallpaper, but if I can't i willn't.
Samuele
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On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 16:57 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote:
Very cool works Maria!
Just a question for Máirín: you say to not use again bitmap graphic didn't you? But if now we can I will more happy about it. In this case I will close right now my inkscape and start again :D
We would much prefer a vector-based graphic as the default wallpaper. As María said, her XCF was 69 MB. This would make it very difficult for others to work on the file.
~m
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On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 17:01 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote:
Yes I know.
But my question is: we can or we can't? 'Cause I really prefer bitmap for wallpaper, but if I can't i willn't.
Samuele
Well, to make the story short, we have had a terrible experience in past with bitmap wallpapers -- yeah, they are cool and everything, but people just don't waste their time on downloading 100MB xcf whose editing is as much time consuming (when I helped with the Solar and the Lion ones, just turning on or off layers took ages)... The bad result of choosing the bitmap way has always been Mo's all-nighters and frustration and we certainly don't want to end up with that again...
No-one can stop you from working on bitmap wallpaper though (we are project based on contributions after all) and if you manage to get people on it working soon enough to finish it in time, go for it, but it's much more likely that people will work on SVG based design and we cannot grant that your work will be the final one (but considering how great your works were in past, it would be definitely included minimally in the wallpaper extras).
It's also easier to make SVG based stuff that is good for default wallpaper (i.e. the icons are easily recognizable on it) than photo-manipulation based ones.
At least, that's my understanding how things are now :-D
Martin
Thanks Martin
So ok, I will at least try some vector based proposals.
Thanks again
Samuele
----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Sourada" martin.sourada@gmail.com To: "Fedora Design Team" design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009 17:27:23 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: [Design-team] Constantine theme mockup
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 17:01 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote:
Yes I know.
But my question is: we can or we can't? 'Cause I really prefer bitmap for wallpaper, but if I can't i willn't.
Samuele
Well, to make the story short, we have had a terrible experience in past with bitmap wallpapers -- yeah, they are cool and everything, but people just don't waste their time on downloading 100MB xcf whose editing is as much time consuming (when I helped with the Solar and the Lion ones, just turning on or off layers took ages)... The bad result of choosing the bitmap way has always been Mo's all-nighters and frustration and we certainly don't want to end up with that again...
No-one can stop you from working on bitmap wallpaper though (we are project based on contributions after all) and if you manage to get people on it working soon enough to finish it in time, go for it, but it's much more likely that people will work on SVG based design and we cannot grant that your work will be the final one (but considering how great your works were in past, it would be definitely included minimally in the wallpaper extras).
It's also easier to make SVG based stuff that is good for default wallpaper (i.e. the icons are easily recognizable on it) than photo-manipulation based ones.
At least, that's my understanding how things are now :-D
Martin
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On 07/14/2009 06:01 PM, Samuele Storari wrote:
But my question is: we can or we can't? 'Cause I really prefer bitmap for wallpaper, but if I can't i willn't.
Why don't you try something for the additional wallpapers, where we don't have strict rules about formats, colors, themes? (I am working on a concept for the "kids" one, hope will have something to show later today)
Hello
I talk with Sergei Kosarev (one of the photos I used, the coulds in fact) and has any problem with the usage. This is the answer
------------ Hello!) Of course, you can use this foto for this wallpaper or something else. I've just posted this image on sxc.hu for free use and i'd like if it's will be useful for something :) ------------
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1182234
:D
2009/7/16 Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro:
On 07/14/2009 06:01 PM, Samuele Storari wrote:
But my question is: we can or we can't? 'Cause I really prefer bitmap for wallpaper, but if I can't i willn't.
Why don't you try something for the additional wallpapers, where we don't have strict rules about formats, colors, themes? (I am working on a concept for the "kids" one, hope will have something to show later today)
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Hi María,
On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 07:56 +1930, María Leandro wrote:
Hello
I talk with Sergei Kosarev (one of the photos I used, the coulds in fact) and has any problem with the usage. This is the answer
Hello!) Of course, you can use this foto for this wallpaper or something else. I've just posted this image on sxc.hu for free use and i'd like if it's will be useful for something :)
Could you get him to specifically agree to CC-BY or CC-BY-SA?
~m
answer:
------------------ Hello again =)
I think that one : CC-BY
http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by/3.0/88x31.png
Best regards, Sergey Kosarev =) ------------------
2009/7/16 Máirín Duffy mairin@linuxgrrl.com:
Hi María,
On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 07:56 +1930, María Leandro wrote:
Hello
I talk with Sergei Kosarev (one of the photos I used, the coulds in fact) and has any problem with the usage. This is the answer
Hello!) Of course, you can use this foto for this wallpaper or something else. I've just posted this image on sxc.hu for free use and i'd like if it's will be useful for something :)
Could you get him to specifically agree to CC-BY or CC-BY-SA?
~m
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