desktop April 2004

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23 discussions

replacing XMMS
by Colin Walters 30 Apr '04

30 Apr '04

So our situation with music players is a little bad. Right now in the menu we have "Music Player" and "Audio Player". The first is Rhythmbox, the second is XMMS. A user new to Fedora is going to be baffled by this - it's like having two clocks. Ideally we would only have one music player. I'm hoping to get Rhythmbox in good enough shape for FC3 that it can replace XMMS for most use cases. What I'm curious of is comments by people who still use XMMS, and why. What are the most important things to you that need to be fixed in Rhythmbox?

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Re: [OT] fedora-desktop not working ?
by Havoc Pennington 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 12:33, Mariano Draghi wrote: > Hi, > I wonder if someone arround here can confirm if the fedora-desktop list > is having any problem (since almost 2 days ago...) > I'm not getting posts; and the list archive at www.redhat.com hasn't any > post either since Apr 26th. > That's puzzling me, because the other lists are working just fine. > I'm reading the lists through Gmane, but if the official archive at Red > Hat is not updated, I suppose it's not a Gmane (NNTP) problem. > There just haven't been any posts; all of Red Hat was out of town, and I guess nobody else had anything to say ;-) Havoc

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Fedora Project Mailing Lists reminder
by Elliot Lee 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

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Desktop issues discussion proposal
by Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

Well... it seems like we have some small issues in the future path of the fedora core desktop (not only for fedora actually). 1) Menus. More is not the best solution, so it's out. We should try to create a replacement, because in some situations the menus are overwhelming. 2) How many applications doing the same thing do we need? Having too many applications can be confusing. A new user (especially one that comes from another OS or from an old Linux distribution version), would be confused and might not make the optimal choice for his situation. Think of how many music players we have, how many editors, how many mail clients. Should all these be in the equivalent of the now deprecated X-Red-Hat-Base? Should we even show all the applications we have installed or just the popular ones? A Microsoft style hide unused entries would be practical? Are there any other solutions, such as 2/3 level menu tree? Try and suggest also some other QUESTIONS and a date for a virtual meeting on irc to find/discuss answers to these. I don't recommend answering these questions right here/now. An irc chat would be more appropriate. Also if you want to have a chat on this, think of the time differences around the world (I'm in GMT+2), because it's evening when you guys have lunch, and it's waaaay past mid-night (closer to morning) when it's evening for you. These being said, I looking forward to a productive mind-storm on these topic, and not only. Best Regards, Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT <razvan.vilt(a)linux360.ro> Digital Vision - linux360 - Vision Project Maintainer

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shared calendar servers
by Havoc Pennington 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

Hi, We're interested in open source servers that might be interesting as shared calendar backends for Evolution. Know about opengroupware.org, egroupware.org, phpgroupware.org. Havoc

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desktop discussion
by Havoc Pennington 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

Hi, I've closed our internal desktop discussion list for new posts. Here are the topics we've discussed recently that should have been public: 1. Java/Mono - I moved this discussion to fairly public places ;-) Best to keep it off this list. 2. Hardware autoconfiguration. General goal is to autoconfigure hardware without user intervention or writing to /etc. This is the hal/dbus/ Project Utopia stuff. http://ometer.com/hardware.html 3. Deployment scenarios that avoid per-machine state, including read-only root fs copied from a central image, thin clients, and so forth. There was a discussion of this on fedora-devel. We don't have very detailed ideas yet. 4. Media players, Colin just posted on this. 5. Details of rearranging menus 6. Daniel Veillard is hacking on a per-user daemon to replace the FAM system daemon, primarily motivated by SELinux (FAM system daemon lets you violate the security boundaries) 7. The gconf multiple login question, which everyone is already familiar with sadly... Mark was having a look. Our OS desktop discussion is less than you might think, since most topics fall into an upstream project such as GNOME. If you're interested in the Fedora desktop I'd definitely recommend watching the project-specific forums as well. Hope this is helpful. Feel free to ask about specific development topics. Havoc

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Re: shared calendar servers
by Klaus Steinberger 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

I would suggest the kolab server. The Pro's: Opensource KDE Client available Full KDE integration under development (Kontact) supported by Aethera Outlook Connectors are available (currently working ones are from companies like Bynari etc.) (some projects are working on opensource MAPI connectors) A Webclient based on Horde is under development (probably that will be integrated into horde mainstream) The Con's: Currently only OpenPKG rpm's are available (except Mandrake) It requires an LDAP Server, so it's probably not a solution for little sites Sincerly, Klaus Steinberger -- Klaus Steinberger Maier-Leibnitz Labor Phone: (+49 89)289 14287 Am Coulombwall 6, D-85748 Garching, Germany FAX: (+49 89)289 14280 EMail: Klaus.Steinberger(a)Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE URL: http://www.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~k2/ In a world without Walls and Fences, who needs Windows and Gates

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Playing CD...probelms...
by JORGE CARCORZE 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

>When using up2date to update XMMS to 1.2.10.....what happens to the old >XMMS >rpm? gets deleted? > >I installed FC1 on a P Celeron 1.1GHz/384RAM. When inserting a CD, I see >the the FC1 CD player reading the track but no sound......same with >XMMS....haven't try Rythmbox..... > >I check the sound card and I do hear the nice gitar sounds..My experience >with Linux FC1 is a garnd total of 20 hours.....including installation.. > >help! (:( > >-carco944t _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/dir…

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Re: replacing XMMS
by Dmitry Khotyanovsky 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

> What I'm curious of is comments by people who still use XMMS, and why. > What are the most important things to you that need to be fixed in > Rhythmbox? > Well, I think Rhythmbox is good enough. I just think it is too complicated for me. I never felt eager enough to manage all these playlists and libraries. With xmms I can just type "xmms Artist_Directory/Some_Album_Directory" to play the album or "xmms some_song.mp3" to play the song (or "xmms *.mp3" to play all the songs in the directory). Rhythmbox cannot do things like that, can it? Actually, I never create playlists, nor I use Juke Boxes. I just don't need them, because I store music arranged in directories. More generally, I am not comfortable with the idea of removing popular Linux applications from the Fedora distribution. Dmitry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash

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Re: Re: Usb storage icon.
by Nandox7 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

Well the problem is not the mounting and the icon popup's in the gnome desktop. That works with no problem, i'm just trying to find an icon, for an app that i'm trying to do, that deals with usb storage devices. -----Original Message----- From: Nils Philippsen <nphilipp(a)redhat.com> To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:05:53 +0200 Subject: Re: Usb storage icon. On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 02:05, Nando wrote: > Hi, > > does anyone have made or have seen a icon, that could apply to a usb > storage device? Like a usb pen drive. > Giving preference to an approach to the bluecurve theme. On FC1 or FC2test, put an entry (doesn't matter what, a bind mount will suffice) into /etc/fstab that mounts something on /mnt/memstick. Mount it and if you run GNOME, it will have a nice PCB like icon for it. Unfortunately the one for /mnt/flash is rather boring -- where is it configured what icon gets used for what mount point? Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp(a)redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011

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