desktop February 2007

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PulseAudio
by Bastien Nocera 01 Mar '07

01 Mar '07

Heya, After installing something resembling a Rawhide system and filing plenty of bugs in the course of action, I set myself onto testing PulseAudio today. I was quite scared by the amounts of configuration (some of it non-trivial) and changes to applications to get PulseAudio working as the main sound system (ie. with all applications talking to ALSA-libs talking to PulseAudio, talking to the ALSA backend). I wanted to have an esound replacement first, so that beeps and warnings could go through PulseAudio, and not hinder the other applications using ALSA. I encountered a bunch of dependency problems: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=230206 Then a warning (which I don't think is critical to testing): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=230209 And finally, the big problem, an assert trying to play back some sound: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=230211 I think this is still the best course of action for F7, given some work to 1) make PulseAudio work (as it doesn't right now for the above), 2) some integration with the GNOME sound properties so it spits out the sound events on the right device. Cheers

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Wine by default?
by Rahul Sundaram 01 Mar '07

01 Mar '07

Hi What are the thoughts on installing Wine by default in Desktop and KDE spins for Fedora 7? It might make it more easier for migrations and heterogeneous environments if we installed and integrated with Wine by default. Rahul

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tweaking the LiveCD
by Bill Nottingham 26 Feb '07

26 Feb '07

So, I compared the LiveCD manifest against the Desktop (from Test1) manifest. Here's a list of things we should consider for the live - obviously, most of this won't fit (not sure if *any* of it will), but we should at least think about it and make decisions. Sorted into somewhat random categories: I18N ---- aspell-* m17n-db-* scim-qtimm scim-tables-chinese Games ----- atomix celestia crack-attack enigma foobillard gweled lmarbles monkey-bubble neverball Stupid CLI but useful --------------------- attr bind-utils Potentially broken without -------------------------- crontabs termcap gnome-screensaver pcmciautils Things we want/need to install (even if they aren't running 'live') ------------------------------ logrotate mdadm smolt nfs-utils readahead rhgb A11Y ---- gok Is dialup dead? --------------- ppp rp-pppoe wvdial Desktop things that might be useful ----------------------------------- beagle-evolution beagle-gui bitmap-fonts bug-buddy deskbar-applet glabels gnome-audio gnome-backgrounds gnome-blog gnome-keyring-manager gnome-nettool gnome-pilot-conduits gnome-system-monitor gnome-user-docs gnome-user-share gobby hpijs hplip nautilus-sendto nautilus-sendto-bluetooth samba-client sane-backends sane-frontends transmission We need to decide ----------------- livecd has xchat desktop has xchat-gnome Bill

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patch, manifest changes
by Bill Nottingham 25 Feb '07

25 Feb '07

I've been playing to see how much more we can fit on the live CD for test 2. First, I eliminated docs from the livecd with a patch to livecd-creator (attached). Then, I started adding and removing things. Based on Jeremy's test1 configs at http://people.redhat.com/katzj/f7live/, I made the following changes: Added ----- attr bind-utils gnome-screensaver pcmciautils termcap crontabs ppp rp-pppoe wvdial logrotate mdadm smolt nfs-utils readahead rhgb gok gnome-backgrounds gnome-audio nautilus-sendto nautilus-sendto-bluetooth monkey-bubble gnome-blog Removed ------- emacs xchat-gnome This yields a 678MB Live CD, so we've still got a decent amount of room for changes. (SRPM for fedora-livecd attached) Bill

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Sony Vaio AR320E
by SCOTT WALSH 25 Feb '07

25 Feb '07

Installed FC6 w/ all updates. The laptop has special function buttons S1, S2, Volume, and optical drive eject. Does FC6 support these? How do I set them up. If this is the wrong forum, the question becomes "Can you suggest one?" Scott

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Re: Sony Vaio AR320E
by Rogue 25 Feb '07

25 Feb '07

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pruning the liveCD
by Bill Nottingham 24 Feb '07

24 Feb '07

Along with looking at things to add, we probably want to look at things to remove. So, some suggestions: - emacs (!) - one of gimp/inkscape? Unfortunately, the best way to clear out space that I can see is switch to latin, indic, and cjk liveCDs. Which... yuk. Bill

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Polishing stuff - gnome-filesystem package
by David Zeuthen 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

Hi, Given the F7 schedule was pushed back one month I thought perhaps we could spend this time on polishing stuff. It looks like gnome-screensaver already drops a directory Pictures in /etc/skel/Pictures [1] to ensure that the user gets the directory ~/Pictures. Personally, I'm a big fan of having pre-made directories in a new users home directory. Mostly because it allows us to patch our applications so they open the file chooser in the right directory. I think we ought to do more of this. I also think we ought to formalize a bit. So someone last week brought forward the idea of a gnome-filesystem package that put files in /etc/skel. This package would provide /etc/skel/Documents Downloads Music Pictures Public plus perhaps a few others. This brings back the good old discussion of whether we should use localized names; e.g. if the users preferred locale is, say, Danish then perhaps the user perhaps would expect ~/Dokumenter Hentede Filer Musik Billeder Delte Filer Well, - fact of the matter is that many programs today already hardcode paths like ~/Pictures (gnome-screensaver, f-spot at least [2]) and ~/Music (banshee at least; possibly Rhythmbox too). - We've already have a precedent with ~/Desktop and, ugh, it shows in Nautilus as "Desktop" in a danish locale, not "Skrivebord" as I would assume. That's a bug we *could* address; see item 3. below. - It's could be considered a bug that gnome-usershare don't make sure that a ~/Public directory is created via e.g. /etc/skel (same thing as Ray fixed for gnome-screensaver). At least I consider this a bug. So, call to action 1. Someone create a gnome-filesystem package that populate /etc/skel. Include some docs with instructions on what this is, why etc. etc. Make sure it's evident how it should be used; e.g. what are the naming conventions for where I should save my files if I'm a Bittorrent client (perhaps in ~/Downloads/MyAppName) etc. etc. Make sure this package is mentioned in the Fedora packaging guide lines. Make it clear that requests for new top-level directories in $HOME can be applied for via the normal bugzilla process. (we could even call it desktop-filesystem if the KDE people agree this is a good idea. But I'm unsure how KDE works (Rex?) and we can always rename the package later.) 2. File bugs against relevant packages to - Require the gnome-filesystem package instead of dropping it's own directories into /etc/skel - Use the appropriate directory (e.g. Pictures instead of Photos or vice versa) in the app - Make sure the app defaults to the correct directory for usage; e.g. Firefox should do all downloads to ~/Downloads if that's what the gnome-filesystem package prescribes (or would that violate "branding"? [4]); make sure f-spot uses ~/Pictures etc. 3. Talk alexl into putting a feature into Nautilus / gnome-vfs so it can read a .localization file (much like it reads a .hidden file, see [3]) such that the gnome-filesystem package can drop a file /etc/skel/.localization that e.g. looks like this (or whatever format, preferable interoperable with other desktops etc. etc. [dir Desktop] Name[da]=Skrivebord Name[de]=Schreibtisch .. [dir Pictures] Name[da]=Billeder Name[de]=Abbildungen .. 4. If it's possible to put emblems on the files in gnome-filesystem we could do that too. Alex? The work for doing this, perhaps except 3. (but I doubt it's much work either), is a no-brainer (unless you insist on name-on-disk-should- be-localized-crack but that should be rebutted above) that will make our desktop look more polished. We should just do this. Or we could just do what we normally do - sit here and wait for upstream to make a decision. I doubt that will happen for the next 2-3 years given the latest exchange of flames on d-d-l. So, in some sense, I'm taking the flamewar here :-) Thanks, David [1] : See http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/devel/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensa… [2] : Actually f-spot requires ~/Photos, even in a danish locale, and gives you an ugly modal dialog error message if it doesn't exist. But either gnome-screensaver and/or f-spot is patchable :-) [3] : See http://curtis.hovey.name/2007/02/16/localizing-standard-directories-or-naut… [4] : If it violates Firefox branding rules to change the default download directory... then it's probably a sign that we should probably switch the default browser in the GNOME desktop away from Firefox. Of course this is my own opinion....

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fedora 5
by da feng 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

hello: NVIDIA video driver seems doesn't support "suspend" under fedora 5. The "hibernate" also doesn't work. The video driver fails restarting. And when I choose openGL/GLX information from the video server setting menu, the server restart, the session terminate. But normally it works fine. --------------------------------- 雅虎免费邮箱-3.5G容量，20M附件

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Desktop problems with 2.6.20
by Ramagudi Naziir 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

Hello, I have been running 2.6.20-rc5 successfully with FC6. Yesterday I have git pulled the latest 2.6.20. I have used make oldconfig and chose all default answers. I have built and run the new kernel successfully. The problems is that now the Desktop don't show up. I see the fedora login screen,but after I login I can only see the mouse icon and two white stripes (one in the upper screen boundary and the second in the lower). besides that the screen is totally black. I can move the mouse. When I press Alt-F2 I can see the "run command" menu, but i cannot type anything into it. pressing the 'x' button does close it. oh, and i can see the popup window of the "security updates waiting", but it is not in the regular place (upper right corner) - it is in the upper left corner. Can anyone help please ? There are no significant error messages in /var/log/message or /var/log/Xorg.0.log. What can I do please ? Thank You naziir.

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