Desktop Live DVD: diff
by Rahul Sundaram
Hi,
There has been some discussions about the increasing space constrains on
the Live CD and how we are better off targeting 1 GB USB keys with a
Live DVD image. I looked into it today and I have generated a image
based on the latest Rawhide.
The image size is 1022 M. Let me know if the following looks alright:
$ diff fedora-livecd-desktop.ks fedora-livedvd-desktop.ks
12a13
> @office
16,20c17,25
< # we don't include @office so that we don't get OOo. but some nice bits
< abiword
< #gnumeric
< #planner
< #inkscape
---
> inkscape
> gimp
> pitivi
> blender
> powertop
> gnome-shell
> tracker-search-tool
> gwibber
> ekiga
28,30d32
< -hunspell-*
< -man-pages*
< -words
33,45d34
< -gnome-user-docs
< -gimp-help
< -gimp-help-browser
< -gimp-data-extras
< -evolution-help
< -gnome-games
< -gnome-games-help
< -nss_db
< -vino
< -isdn4k-utils
< -dasher
< -evince-dvi
< -evince-djvu
48d36
< -wget
51,52d38
< -ekiga
< -tomboy
61,62c47,50
< -system-config-services
< -policycoreutils-gui
---
> system-config-services
> policycoreutils-gui
>
>
Rahul
14 years, 5 months
Where did the Shutdown button go ?
by Matthias Clasen
Since I have gotten a question whether this is intentional, I'll mention
it here: the latest gdm builds (since sometime early last week, I
believe) don't have the Shutdown/Suspend/Hibernate) buttons in the
greeter window anymore. Instead, there is a button with the 'power off'
icon in the lower right corner which provides access to this
functionality.
Matthias
14 years, 5 months
Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 69, Issue 2
by Hristo Petkov
Hi,
black is O.K. but if there are people who don't like it, this may become dark gray with a light edge for example.
Regards
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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:21:37 -0800
From: Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Someone doesn't like black!
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Matthias asked me to forward interesting forum threads to the list, so
here's the first one I've seen:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=232976
someone doesn't like black notifications :) FWIW I don't much like black
either (on a related note I hope color customization makes it into
gnome-shell soon). Not sure if there's anything to do here other than
tell him he's wrong and Fedora believes Black Is Good, though :)
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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:28:22 -0800
From: Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Someone doesn't like black!
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On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 15:21 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Matthias asked me to forward interesting forum threads to the list, so
> here's the first one I've seen:
>
> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=232976
>
> someone doesn't like black notifications :) FWIW I don't much like black
> either (on a related note I hope color customization makes it into
> gnome-shell soon). Not sure if there's anything to do here other than
> tell him he's wrong and Fedora believes Black Is Good, though :)
Here's another guy:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=233012
he figured that he can install notification-daemon-engine-nodoka to get
'nicer' notifications...
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:58:47 +0100
From: Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: Someone doesn't like black!
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
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Am Sonntag, den 01.11.2009, 15:28 -0800 schrieb Adam Williamson:
> Here's another guy:
And here are two more (me is one of them)
http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2753#comments
I already outlined my criticism a month ago in this list, so I'm not
going to repeat it here.
To be fair, there are also people who like them. Paul wrote:
"the newer notifications are more eye catching, which means they’re more
effective at doing their job."
I think this is no surprise, because the new notifications are *much*
bigger then the old ones. Also, there is no discrimination between
notification urgency [1], which IMO is a major drawback.
Regards,
Christoph
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=525867
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:04:17 +0100
From: David Tardon <dtardon(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 35
To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 03:46:08AM -0700, Hristo Petkov wrote:
> Hi all,
> Excuse me - just to ask: What is the idea of polishing F12 while F10 and F11 have fairly low reliability (in working with OpenOffice for example).
> Today I tried to do some a little bit more complex operations with OpenOffice Writer under F11 and 'went in the Dimension-X'.
>
> Regards,
> Christo Petkov
>
Hello Christo,
could you tell us the reported bugs' numbers, please?
Btw, what do you mean by 'went in the Dimension-X'? something like
http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-10-15/ ?
David
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:10:39 +0200
From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro>
Subject: Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 35
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
<fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com>
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On 10/31/2009 06:23 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 03:46 -0700, Hristo Petkov wrote:
>> Today I tried to do some a little bit more complex operations with
>> OpenOffice Writer under F11 and 'went in the Dimension-X'.
>
> For a start, none of the people working on GNOME desktop polish are
> OpenOffice.org coders. Your question is roughly akin to asking a house
> painter why he isn't performing surgery on children; that just ain't how
> things are organized.
I am pretty sure our OOo maintainer (who is also a top upstream
developer) *is* subscribed to this list (as he should be). With this
being said, I acknowledge 'went in the Dimension-X' is totally useless
as a bug report.
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Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 35
by Hristo Petkov
Hi all,
Excuse me - just to ask: What is the idea of polishing F12 while F10 and F11 have fairly low reliability (in working with OpenOffice for example).
Today I tried to do some a little bit more complex operations with OpenOffice Writer under F11 and 'went in the Dimension-X'.
Regards,
Christo Petkov
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2. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Matthias Clasen)
3. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Adam Williamson)
4. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Matthias Clasen)
5. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (James Laska)
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:09:14 -0700
From: Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com>
Subject: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
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this seems an appropriate topic for desktop-list...
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:44:13 -0400
From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
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On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 13:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> this seems an appropriate topic for desktop-list...
I don't think there is much to discuss, though.
Yes, the missing abrt icon is a problem. But the fact that not every
item in Places and System has an icon was our design decision, and is
not a bug in any way.
I don't see how those 'missing' icons could even theoretically be
considered a release blocker. They don't cause a problem in any way.
Matthias
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:01:30 -0700
From: Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
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On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 16:44 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 13:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > this seems an appropriate topic for desktop-list...
>
> I don't think there is much to discuss, though.
>
> Yes, the missing abrt icon is a problem. But the fact that not every
> item in Places and System has an icon was our design decision, and is
> not a bug in any way.
>
> I don't see how those 'missing' icons could even theoretically be
> considered a release blocker. They don't cause a problem in any way.
I dunno, I didn't write those criteria. I guess the idea was to have
some kind of standard for final desktop polish. I guess my question was
more or less what you answered above - whether this list knows why this
is in the release criteria, and whether you'd agree with it.
Though looking at it again, it's a 'should' not a 'must' issue. Which by
my understanding means it's not intended to actually be a blocker (only
things on the release criteria page with the keyword 'must' indicate
things we'd block for).
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:37:03 -0400
From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
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On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 14:01 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I dunno, I didn't write those criteria. I guess the idea was to have
> some kind of standard for final desktop polish. I guess my question was
> more or less what you answered above - whether this list knows why this
> is in the release criteria, and whether you'd agree with it.
I was not involved in the creation of these criteria. It is obviously a
bit unfortunate if design decisions like the one to drop some icons from
the menus are not reflected in them.
As long as everybody is reasonable about this, it is not a big problem.
Matthias
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:42:32 -0400
From: James Laska <jlaska(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
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On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 07:37 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 14:01 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > I dunno, I didn't write those criteria. I guess the idea was to have
> > some kind of standard for final desktop polish. I guess my question was
> > more or less what you answered above - whether this list knows why this
> > is in the release criteria, and whether you'd agree with it.
>
> I was not involved in the creation of these criteria. It is obviously a
> bit unfortunate if design decisions like the one to drop some icons from
> the menus are not reflected in them.
We'll be looking to refresh the release criteria in the near future.
I'm not sure exactly when we'll kick that off, but we'll be sure to
solicit feedback from all groups.
Thanks,
James
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Someone doesn't like black!
by Adam Williamson
Matthias asked me to forward interesting forum threads to the list, so
here's the first one I've seen:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=232976
someone doesn't like black notifications :) FWIW I don't much like black
either (on a related note I hope color customization makes it into
gnome-shell soon). Not sure if there's anything to do here other than
tell him he's wrong and Fedora believes Black Is Good, though :)
--
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14 years, 5 months
