desktop March 2014

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Introduction, Documenting Workstation
by Pete Travis 17 Jul '14

17 Jul '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I'm acquainted with many of you already, but an introduction seems fitting anyway. I've been involved with the project for a few years now, primarily on the Docs team but also some light packaging and lately light infrastructure things. I live in Montana, US, where the population density is almost as low as the temperature. I work for a small government agency doing user and systems support. Why should you care? Well, the Docs team reached a decision this last weekend to proactively work with the Product WGs to assess documentation needs. I volunteered to liaison with the Workstation team. As we approach the release cycle, I'd like everyone to keep documentation in mind and the discussion open about not only implementation, but how to represent that implementation to the users. An undocumented feature isn't featured :) I'm looking forward to working with everyone, perhaps saying hello at the next meeting - there are meetings, right? - and developing a presentation of the Workstation Product that shows off the capabilities and character of your work. - -- - -- Pete Travis - Fedora Docs Project Leader - 'randomuser' on freenode - immanetize(a)fedoraproject.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTNW1PAAoJEL1wZM0+jj2Zos4H/37WaPQMRumzi766cXv6x3mb ADJuFmZ+mZwosTynurCAKG5p8PczOHKhRrZNslf9nFNx4dczc94QJFlO7hPOq3Mr WOzkSn6pUXppukAd6UxX7qAjtrNomYCM8kDlmyK+ArZmVbo78O2IppeSwZk4R/tJ ILnktcYl4sXJjlOrA28X5uiZ0dvreuZPBT+UsiDZHVvFBQfaYqjUKIioW/R4wQYp FoFvLbXe2XCn609LuHl0TcEP9DIwd2ShKROqw2fhXXSPe4jWWwkm0+FktwEKAt46 DqKBpIZeeIIZfiKXRPS6CCGNOULboepDKj+7RfqmtrjUIqdPQZ4ZP+Hdr1vSC3M= =G3EO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Fedora.next Product Branding
by Ryan Lerch 23 May '14

23 May '14

*This is sent with my Fedora Design Team hat on* With the creation of 3 products for Fedora, the Fedora Design Team anticipates manynewquestions aroundFedora'sbrand. As the main caretakers of the Fedora brand, weare going to have to figure these things out within the next few months. For example, the Design Team is starting to think about how to answer these types of questions: • Should each product have its own logo? or • Can you add our product to the Fedora website? or • Can you make our product its own website? (How should we represent these products on the website? Should we allow products to have their own separate websites?) To start off the rebranding discussion, the Fedora Design Teamhas4 basic questions for each of the 3 product-focused working groups to answer: (1) What problem does your product solve, in one sentence? (2) Who is the target audience for your product, in one sentence? (3) List at least 5 products that successfully target the same target audience you are after. (4) List at least 5 products that try to solve the same problem. We are reaching out to each group individually to ask that you discuss these questions and come back to us with answers by Wednesday, December 4th2013. cheers, ryanlerch

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technical spec for the workstation up for review
by Matthias Clasen 23 Apr '14

23 Apr '14

I've spent quite a bit of time last week on this document: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Technical_Specification It is not 100% complete, but I haven't found the time to get back to it since Friday, so I should probably open it up for a first round of review to the other WG member. Let me know what you think, Matthias

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arm support of workstation product
by Dennis Gilmore 08 Apr '14

08 Apr '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, I noticed that in the hardware supported in the tech specs says 64 bit only. I believe that in the f21 time frame we should be able to integrate etnaviv [1][2] and be able to offer a viable arm based option. note that arm ships in two formats, disk image that's ready to run and install tree. there is no support to run anaconda and do a liveinstall type install. For some possible systems putting the image onto a sdcard and running will be fine. But for some others there may be a desire to install onto a hard drive to use. I personally believe that it is a viable target. Dennis [1] https://github.com/laanwj/etna_viv [2] https://plus.google.com/+ArndBergmann/posts/bjja7uW9vA4 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTGgdfAAoJEH7ltONmPFDR5kcQAKqL85+d0TAKA7umDpmmi6pH 6wx60mgWjH5TM4v2fbbqKBA8kL8RF8040liQHCrCYD0zwFE9NIquPL6pxgyDouGX Xaq6F+mQ0UQHitVC2cvrTAFAeygoW41JGL6WvYMApTg86HnCW+mNE/EdzhOKCCUU A59UBwLONc5HJ2ei7oAmyxjxqbPiWzzmh9kGUKmU+HQ1yXNi7p/cVl7GXUuMvbiW PPvJw53osnvu1gz9AArRC9ZWJEtaByDCM5hm5EKZQUOCwN27SQ9d114mClRrZRJi NDUtPzGuuk2c0MdVpE/W4fUd5NLjsuAaDxrRHRTrdwKcKi+sDrXnOiui2wBDdVzV qx+YbJRsWB1DBOuTMCheX2ZYipoqx8a4VWXP6nf7lyiowwzlEIyQDZ15s1CvDK9Q j25doND/XImXPFcu7FVy8GBfw/yUr3FBPxlarXRruEH0/za7f5I4pw8NKUtMLtAl p1Wc4u54P1UjbZpXsNAQzZTS7Us0rl3Q8I06mQW+NqBadWNqWIXarzsftBx5xsdS xRRiC0aP6Na0m0W6jXNH07/gT6iQdPeY+D5T0bpyOzgxbdifigCDcQZpe18LyDtL 95bW7Q9S5f+3P9m31VBGEwLcvHPzYgDpZ8RRF2yK1PMXDXitFItOSg3fp330BtGk Ne1ETUEAS4zCoW6Fd+cM =5Sr6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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how are upgrades supposed to work in fedora.next?
by Dennis Gilmore 03 Apr '14

03 Apr '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, So I asked in the FESCo meeting how you expect upgrades to work without an install tree? the building on the upgrade initramfs and the tree for upgrades is tied into the creation of an install tree. additionally all the future options that have been looked at for livecd creation plan to use anaconda, as such an install tree really is a requirement. I am trying to understand how you expect things to work if you do not produce an install tree. Dennis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTGgP7AAoJEH7ltONmPFDRd8IP/A3e0hkuiBiY3aLrmpBGcwwX 4uv/PCTWbtU/8d3fb9kHGqEwyeujJw2kcHvdxjCqDTeZ3DVp0fwAc+fk5XhAZEnI Y3eNWAU8NuMJNePMerH6pjfVkbHeHDFx2TG13yDZSXQooD+7oENsyrx8OhOSqxxa F3yMVTDnn1JLBspE9D6njSPVTdzsOxQtQFrYvvvJKRr1pvYSteNgqTHswqInw7Hm tr0iLqOkzoBWKkrWDMd3IsHuE56TICTqfo39C27IwpSdPIKruidsl2XpTtzucFgc p2YOGhplOFbh5v2E8vMwYh3uloouQc3FaF2FFUObTzN9c8DP+la83ve2nbBHoQyk WYE3t1iLmqB5n0SpTfmZgXzLo/Gd8JewqeH6mWAfhQXmxO1sTG0kJmPHPWLxsOOO u0/jT7pS16MwOdzvGQC26ZfNL5OVC0mU0rLenw8/IBcyEufFmxVclrFP8Yspw3Aa hCeaInrK4AMrmmBN5X9h+HDfELwV7mCG8KOX6rxp5MnWyqfcODrdcpvkdHGfTQG/ J2DpNPpjOhHKWdne3QjG7HID08LKdfgIkg0xOge8s0DlNxy4nTdKzqnDH644zCdJ 6IHPkfhLQyM3zMnAP7QrouLWS5G/FADgaawohuw/s5iYs+yOLA5FAHDueA3w9TMv bicsUFuEy9oK2S4K9umJ =B84D -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Rethinking of global menu on Gnome Shell
by Luya Tshimbalanga 01 Apr '14

01 Apr '14

Global menu was a matter of controversial topic because of presence in Apple OS X or its earlier Mac OS. Ubuntu adopted it in their Unity desktop environment. Gnome Shell took a different approach of global menu but did not fully explore the potential. Gnome takes on global menu has an interesting parallel to the responsive menu system found on most websites running on mobile device like this example: http://codropspz.tympanus.netdna-cdn.com/codrops/wp-content/uploads/2013/04… Some websites created an interesting menu system like this example by hovering: http://www.autoblog.com/ Combining both elements provides the result attached on this message. It is surprising that idea did not show on Gnome website. The benefits are: - less clutter on the window - touch screen friendly - easy to implement on complex applications like Gimp. - Can use existing method - More possibilities like the use found on sugar interface. Comments are welcome. Perhaps I should post it on Gnome mailing list Luya

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Trying Wayland
by Matthias Clasen 28 Mar '14

28 Mar '14

With GNOME 3.12 in rawhide today (or in the F20 copr), it is for the first time really easy to try GNOME with Wayland. You can just select 'GNOME on Wayland' from the session chooser on the login screen. If you do so, you'll get a desktop that looks just like regular GNOME, and a great many things work just fine. Just be aware of the few things that don't work yet: - Drag-and-drop doesn't work - No touch support - some popups (eg entry completion) do not appear Most seriously, right clicks and double-clicks on applications that are running under xwayland have the tendency to bring down the session. Of course, we are working on all of these issues. Any help is welcome! Matthias

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KDE integration/status for Workstation
by Josh Boyer 28 Mar '14

28 Mar '14

Hi All, During the default DE discussions, a number of WG members expressed interest in keeping KDE as a release blocking DE for Workstation. QA is now asking FESCo about KDE's status as well in https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1243 So if KDE is going to be a release blocking DE for Workstation, we need to figure out how exactly it gets installed and what manner it would be tested in. In the above ticket I came up with the following: install the Workstation live image, install KDE through software-installer (if necessary), log into KDE from GDM after install, test However, that was entirely off the top of my head. Would the live image be large enough to contain the KDE Workstation already or would a user/QA tester need to install it through the software-installer? What tests should be done? Etc. Thoughts? josh

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Reminder: Change Proposals Submission Deadline in two weeks
by Jaroslav Reznik 25 Mar '14

25 Mar '14

Hi, the Change Proposals Submission Deadline is coming soon, in two weeks [1] - 2014-04-08. I'd like to ask especially WGs to work on the PRD/Tech Specs break out into the Change Proposals - so the scope of release can be evaluated and also for tracking purposes to knwo where we are with Fedora 21/Next release. Help us with Fedora 21 and .next initiative planning and development coordination! See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Policy for current policy for submissions and start a new proposal using this template https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EmptyTemplate Let me know in case of any issues, I'll try to help you! [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/21/Schedule Jaroslav

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unoconv in F20 gained dependency on strange GUI applications
by Michael Catanzaro 19 Mar '14

19 Mar '14

Hey, If you've ever used Sushi or GNOME Documents to preview an ODT document, you've probably noticed (or will soon notice) that strange GUI applications were installed after a recent F20 update: Chainsaw, LogFactor5, and LibreOffice Base. This is [1] and it's currently CLOSED WONTFIX. I just want to draw some attention to this, since post-release dependencies impact the desktop team's ability to control the default set of applications. I'm pretty sure we don't want users to have these strange Java logging utilities by default. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1065776

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