F21 Workstation System Requirements - Storage
by Elad Alfassa
Hi all.
I did a netinstall of F21 (it worked) and the resulting installed
system was around 4GB.
So, 4GB for base system, plus 2GB for updates (there are a lot of them
during the lifetime of the product), and 4GB for extra headroom (user
apps, content) - that comes out as 10GB minimal.
So I'd say 10GB minimal, 25GB recommended, standard "more is better"
clause, and maybe add something about the fact we come with "batteries
included" - ie. we have a full office suite and such, to justify the
space needs.
For the record, the biggest packages we install by default are:
252MB libreoffice-core
108MB firefox
97MB java-1.8.0-openjdk-headless
76MB webkitgtk4
68MB PyXB
There's probably some room for minor optimization, for those who care
about the live image size (I care, but trimming it is hard now that we
ship with so many stuff "we can't do without). I don't think we can do
much to reduce the final installed size - I think 10GB minimal is
reasonable.
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-Elad Alfassa.
9 years, 7 months
Image viewer applications
by Michael Catanzaro
Hi all,
In Fedora 20, Shotwell was the default image viewer and no other image
viewer was installed. In F21 Shotwell is still the default, but now
Image Viewer (eog) is installed as well. This doesn't make any sense
since Image Viewer serves no purpose unless it's the default image
handler, whereas Shotwell is more useful for previewing and organizing a
collection of photos.
We've also recently noticed that gthumb looks like a nice alternative to
Shotwell. I propose we do one of the following:
* Replace Shotwell with gthumb, and remove Image Viewer.
* Replace Shotwell with gthumb, but keep Image Viewer as the default
image viewer.
* Remove Shotwell, and keep Image Viewer as the only image viewer.
Opinions welcome.
You might notice that I'm gunning for Shotwell here. It looks a lot
older than gthumb, and seems to have mostly the same functionality.
(Make sure to check out gthumb in F21, not F20. You wouldn't know they
were the same app due to the huge changes.) Image Viewer, in contrast,
is a simple app for just previewing images, which is a different
purpose, but I think gthumb can also serve this purpose just as well
while looking nicer.
There are other options, of course, which I am less fond of:
* Remove Image Viewer. (Shotwell remains.)
* Make Image Viewer the default image viewer. (Shotwell remains.)
Either of these would be more sensible than keeping Image Viewer if it
is not the default image viewer.
GNOME Photos is notably not one of the apps we're considering. We've
been told it's not ready yet.
Michael
9 years, 7 months
ARM images for F21
by Josh Boyer
Hi All,
As Paul mentioned in another thread, the websites and other teams are
looking where to stick things for Alpha release in terms of downloads
and such. One of the items that came up was the ARM image.
I don't really believe anyone in the WG is actively testing or looking
at ARM. However, it's still being composed so we're being asked where
to put it. Thoughts?
josh
9 years, 7 months
Fedora Workstation and GNOME Classic Session
by Stephen Gallagher
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I noticed something today while testing out Workstation. We're
actually installing both GNOME 3 and GNOME Classic Session on a
default install of Fedora Workstation.
I realize I may be inviting a flamewar here (and for that, I
apologize), but I think that this should be relegated to a non-default
option (perhaps as an optional environment group that can be selected
in the installer) rather than available by default on all Workstation
installs.
I look to the Workstation WG for an opinion on the matter.
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Gnome-documents bugs
by Ankur Sinha
Hi,
We missed out on testing gnome-documents as part of the test day
recently. I decided to finally switch to using gnome-documents and its
collections, rather than a folder based organisation system one fine
day. This is when I ran into a number of bugs. Some of them are quite
annoying, and if we're encouraging users to switch to using the default
gnome apps that doesn't need a folder based organisation system, getting
them fixed before F21 release would be really good. I'm listing them
here just to get them some visibility since 3.13.91 is already out of
the door and 3.14 is fast approaching:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735864 - documents disappear
from collections (my entire collections vanished later)
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735949 - lists but doesn't
open google documents (spreadsheets/pdfs/docx files do not open on
clicking them)
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735862 - Adding to collection
does not show new collection in dialogue and documents view is not
updated until another collection is accessed
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735863 - Permits duplicate
collection names (I ran into this as a result of the previous one - I
kept trying to add docs to collections, and it kept creating one new
collection after another with the same name.)
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735881 - [RFE]Differentiate
collections from normal documents to make them easier to find (when
they're all mixed, it's difficult to find either docs or collections
without searching)
These are just ones I've filed recently but they turned up while
following a normal daily gnome-document workflow - organise and view
documents - which is important functionality for the workstation
product.
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Thanks,
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9 years, 7 months
IMPORTANT (release blocker): Status of Workstation network install
by Adam Williamson
Hi, folks! We did the release blocker bug review meeting today, and one
of the bugs that came up for discussion was this one:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1134524
The question of whether this bug is a release blocker comes down pretty
clearly to the status of the Workstation network install image. That is,
the image is clearly busted, so if we care about that image, we should
consider the bug a release blocker.
However, the question of whether the Workstation network install image
should be considered 'supported' / 'release-blocking' / whatever does
not appear to be settled. As I noted in my comment:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1134524#c2
as Workstation was originally designed it seemed clear that the answer
was "no, we don't care about netinst", but things seem to have changed
somewhat since then, and kalev seemed fairly receptive to blocking on
Workstation netinst for F21:
<kalev> adamw: so, my take on this is that I would really like to have a
single installation media for Workstation, only the live USB / dvd
<kalev> but I also do understand that in some environments, the PXE boot
and netinstall are necessary, especially corporate installations
<kalev> what I'm envisioning in the future is that we should have a
single netinstall for the whole of Fedora, where one could select server
or workstation
<kalev> but that's not the future we are in right now; I'll try to lobby
to make this happen for F22
<kalev> but for F21, I think we'll just have to make do with what we
have and make the workstation-specific netinstall work
<kalev> so I don't mind having it as a blocking bug
I thought it'd be best to have a clear and publicly-recorded consensus
on this, though, and ask the Workstation WG to amend the tech spec if
appropriate. So: is it the case as kalev suggests that for F21 at least
the Workstation network install image should be considered 'release
blocking', i.e. a supported medium of the Workstation product? If so,
can the tech spec be updated to reflect that?
Once there's a clear answer to this question, we'll update the release
criteria appropriately and determine the blocker status of the bug.
Thanks!
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
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http://www.happyassassin.net
9 years, 7 months
Removing firewall-config from the default install of Fedora Workstation
by Elad Alfassa
Hello.
I propose we remove firewall-config (the graphical firewall configuration
utility) from the default install of Fedora Workstation.
Rationale:
* The default Workstation zone file allows incoming connection to non-root
ports. This means most of the common usecases will "just work" out of the
box. Thus, most users will not need to touch their Firewall settings.
* People who do need it will be able to install it from GNOME Software
quite easily. Just search for "Firewall". There will be no confusion as
this is the only firewall configuration tool shown in GNOME Software.
* In general, we should avoid having app launchers for things that are
configuration utilities in the default install.
Unless there's major objection to this change in the following few days,
I'll remove it from the gnome-desktop group in comps.
Thanks,
--
-Elad Alfassa.
9 years, 7 months
[RFC] non-KVM graphics/IO drivers in our default install media
by Alberto Ruiz
Hello everyone
I wanted to get some feedback as to whether it would be
acceptable/desirable to add whatever available graphics and IO drivers
available for the most common hypervisors out there other than
KVM/Spice.
My idea is that it should be possible to run Fedora Workstation in any
desktop virtualization solution out of the box as long as the drivers
are acceptable for us in terms of licensing. So VirtualBox is the
easiest shot, and a pretty popular one on Windows and Mac users as it's
(mostly) FOSS and free of charge, but it'd be nice if we could add
others like Parallels or VMWare (I am investigating the
availability/licensing situation of those as we speak).
I would appreciate any feedback or concerns about this proposal.
--
Greetings,
Alberto Ruiz
Engineering Manager - Desktop Applications Team
Red Hat, Inc.
9 years, 7 months
F21 Workstation Hardware Requirements
by Pete Travis
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I'm working on the release notes here - should there be any special
hardware recommendations for Workstation? The 'requirements[1]' drafted
are deliberately open-ended, because Fedora can be stripped down or
built up to run *something* on most any modern machine. Workstation is
a specific thing though, and while LLVMpipe can [often?] get gnome-shell
running, it isn't a great experience. Maybe not the UX context you want
Workstation to be used in.
Thoughts?
[1]
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Release_Notes/sect-Rel...
- --
- -- Pete Travis
- Fedora Docs Project Leader
- 'randomuser' on freenode
- immanetize(a)fedoraproject.org
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9 years, 7 months
Workstation Meeting Minutes 2014-09-03
by Josh Boyer
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#fedora-meeting: Workstation WG meeting
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Meeting started by jwb at 15:00:24 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-09-03/workstation.20...
.
Meeting summary
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* init (jwb, 15:00:25)
* net-install for Alpha (jwb, 15:04:15)
* kalev has been fixing this up. created workstation-product comps
group (jwb, 15:06:52)
* anaconda/rel-eng looking into comps path issue (jwb, 15:08:30)
* ACTION: kalev to add comment in Workstation ks files to add packages
to comps group instead (jwb, 15:09:03)
* follow up with ways to remove anaconda from the set of packages
installed in the final live image (jwb, 15:14:21)
* Workstation Marketing/Release notes (jwb, 15:14:52)
* AGREED: 2GB+ DRAM, 64-bit CPU recommended for hardware requirements
(jwb, 15:30:00)
* recommendations for VMs are also 64-bit (jwb, 15:33:51)
* ACTION: otaylor to compare memory differences between 32 and 64-bit
VMs (jwb, 15:34:42)
* ACTION: elad661 to do some testing for storage recommendations
(jwb, 15:35:41)
* AGREED: don't install the release notes in the workstation images.
work with docs and websites to make them easy to find. work with QA to
remove "installing the release notes" from final criteria (jwb,
15:44:17)
* AGREED: umbrella announcement that points to separate product
announcements for final release. shared for alpha/beta (jwb,
15:53:10)
* Default image viewer (jwb, 15:53:25)
* AGREED: switch default image viewer to eog but leave shotwell
installed. revisit for F22 (jwb, 16:03:48)
Meeting ended at 16:05:16 UTC.
Action Items
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* kalev to add comment in Workstation ks files to add packages to comps
group instead
* otaylor to compare memory differences between 32 and 64-bit VMs
* elad661 to do some testing for storage recommendations
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* elad661
* elad661 to do some testing for storage recommendations
* kalev
* kalev to add comment in Workstation ks files to add packages to
comps group instead
* otaylor
* otaylor to compare memory differences between 32 and 64-bit VMs
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
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* juhp_ (34)
* mclasen (30)
* cwickert (30)
* randomuser (25)
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