coredumpctl integration for F25
by Michael Catanzaro
Hi,
Currently we have coredumpctl installed by default, but it doesn't work
because core dumps are consumed by ABRT instead. I'd like to get
coredumpctl working out-of-the-box. We can do this by changing our
systemd presets [1] to disable abrt-ccpp.service.
ABRT will continue to function thanks to the ABRT developers' work on
coredumpctl integration via abrt-vmcore.service. There is a somewhat-
reduced feature set, but I've been running this for several months
happily and I haven't noticed any issues; my crashes are being reported
to FAF, and I can manually report to Bugzilla. See [2] for details.
This might be slightly controversial for two reasons. First, the big
change here is that core dumps will appear in the magical and super-
awesome coredumpctl tool in addition to ABRT, but would no longer be
created in the cwd when ulimit is set appropriately (we would need to
feature that in the release notes). This aligns us with upstream
systemd behavior, but diverges from Debian and Ubuntu, which still
create the old-style coredumps in the cwd. Second, my understanding is
that the ABRT developers prefer to improve abrt-cli and tell people to
use that rather than coredumpctl. But as coredumpctl is very mature
(nicer) and cross-distro so it gets many more contributors, I
definitely prefer to instruct people to use coredumpctl instead for
C/C++ crashes.
We could totally do this change for F24 as well as it should be just a
one-line change, but in the spirit of beta freeze I figure it's
probably best left for F25.
Michael
[1] https://pagure.io/fedora-release/blob/master/f/90-default.preset
[2] https://github.com/abrt/abrt/issues/1108
6 years, 5 months
Another round of default app discussion
by Michael Catanzaro
Hi,
Recently the Workstation working group agreed to match the GNOME apps
we install by default in Fedora with upstream GNOME's core apps. We
will by default sync our default apps to upstream's, and make
exceptions only for exceptional reasons if when proposed on this list.
This adds a bit more cement to our status as the best GNOME
distribution with minimal divergence from upstream.
I worked upstream with designers and release team to move many
desirable apps into core, to better match what we're currently shipping
in Fedora. I also created a gnome-incubator metamodule upstream, which
is where we'll put apps that we want to be core apps by design, but
which we recognize are not yet ready to be installed by default in
distributions. Currently that is home to bijiben, gnome-boxes, gnome-
calendar, gnome-dictionary, gnome-music, and gnome-photos.
Here is how we currently diverge from the new upstream recommendations:
Apps missing from Fedora: epiphany, gnome-logs
Extra apps in Fedora: bijiben, evolution, gnome-boxes, shotwell, rhythmbox
I see little value in discussing Epiphany again right now. Let's make an exception for that.
I have added Logs in Fedora just now, as I expect that will be uncontroversial and I don't see any value in diverging from upstream here.
Bijiben is just not very good yet, and it's not under active
development. There's no good reason for us to diverge from upstream
here, and I expect it will be uncontroversial, so I've dropped it.
I guess Evolution might be controversial; I use it religiously, and
many of you probably do too. But the user interface is complex and
confusing; users should not be exposed to this by default, barring
drastic UI changes that are outside the scope of the Evolution project.
Evolution is a great mail client for power users, but I'm confident
that the average user will be better off with webmail services; folks
who want a desktop client can simply install one, after all. We intend
to replace it with GNOME Mail eventually, but nobody has started
developing it yet. I propose we drop Evolution, but I have not done so
yet, pending further discussion.
Boxes has too many serious bugs right now, so it cannot go into gnome-
core yet, but we intend it to eventually. Since this is a significant
application, I have not yet removed it from our default install,
pending further discussion. My main concern is that it would look odd
for us to remove such a significant app from the default install, then
bring it back in a year or two. On the other hand, users won't notice a
thing unless they make a habit of reinstalling Fedora, and it's not
good to include apps we can't fully recommend. It's not clear to me
what choice is best here.
I propose we make temporary exceptions to keep Shotwell and Rhythmbox, until their intended replacements, Photos and Music, move into
upstream's GNOME core moduleset. That will very likely happen for
Photos for F25. I'm less certain about Music.
Michael
6 years, 6 months
JBoss development tools on Fedora
by Emeka Bethel N
I've been thinking, can we have JBoss development tools by default on Fedora anytime soon? We've been pushing a lot of down-stream projects up on Fedora so why not our very own JBoss?
6 years, 9 months
Workstation WG meeting recap 2016-May-25
by Paul W. Frields
Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-05-25/workstation.2...
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-05-25/workstation.2...
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-05-25/workstation.2...
* * *
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#fedora-meeting: Workstation WG
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Meeting started by stickster at 14:00:00 UTC. The full logs are
available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-05-25/workstation.2...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Roll call (stickster, 14:00:03)
* GNOME Boxes/libvirt default network bug (stickster, 14:04:50)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1164492
(stickster, 14:04:56)
* ACTION: kalev-afk do dep-dropping dance, rebuild, work with zeeshan
to restore in rawhide as needed (stickster, 14:19:12)
* ACTION: stickster do add'l research to understand problem, work with
adamw, zeeshan, mclasen___, et al. on workable F25 solution
(stickster, 14:19:44)
* Workstation demo at Red Hat Summit (stickster, 14:21:16)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Summit_2016 (decause,
14:23:20)
* ACTION: mclasen___ start a public etherpad or wiki page we can pull
together the concepts in the next day or two (stickster, 14:39:48)
* IDEA: Wayland (stickster, 14:41:14)
* IDEA: Flatpak (stickster, 14:41:17)
* IDEA: demo definitely should run on F24 GNOME Wayland session!
(stickster, 14:42:46)
* IDEA: subscription manager integration with GOA (stickster,
14:42:59)
* IDEA: Software distro upgrade (stickster, 14:43:18)
* LINK: http://etherpad.osuosl.org/fedora-rht-summit (decause,
14:44:01)
* IDEA: other Software features (stickster, 14:45:21)
* IDEA: Boxes or other developer features (stickster, 14:47:27)
* Open floor (all other business) (stickster, 14:48:39)
* F24 to ship with Wayland 1.10, save 1.11+ for later (stickster,
14:51:23)
* discussion in progress with koji maintainers on how to properly
enable shipping ostree/flatpak deliverables in F25+ (stickster,
14:54:57)
Meeting ended at 14:57:54 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* kalev-afk do dep-dropping dance, rebuild, work with zeeshan to restore
in rawhide as needed
* stickster do add'l research to understand problem, work with adamw,
zeeshan, mclasen___, et al. on workable F25 solution
* mclasen___ start a public etherpad or wiki page we can pull together
the concepts in the next day or two
Action Items, by person
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* adamw
* stickster do add'l research to understand problem, work with adamw,
zeeshan, mclasen___, et al. on workable F25 solution
* kalev-afk
* kalev-afk do dep-dropping dance, rebuild, work with zeeshan to
restore in rawhide as needed
* mclasen___
* stickster do add'l research to understand problem, work with adamw,
zeeshan, mclasen___, et al. on workable F25 solution
* mclasen___ start a public etherpad or wiki page we can pull together
the concepts in the next day or two
* stickster
* stickster do add'l research to understand problem, work with adamw,
zeeshan, mclasen___, et al. on workable F25 solution
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6 years, 10 months
Re: Why isn't git installed in Workstation?
by Florian Weimer
On 05/19/2016 02:28 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:13:55AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>> On Wed, 2016-05-18 at 08:23 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>> Is git-core-doc a strict requirement? (If it was, I would think that
>>> git-core
>>> would be requiring it, not 'git'). Maybe we could make that a
>>> Recommends: and
>>> not include it on the install media? That certainly seems like the
>>> largest savings.
>>>
>>> Of course, the obvious tradeoff is the lack of documentation...
>>
>> Is it required for 'git help' to work?
>
> Yes, git help just shows the man pages, which are in git-core-doc.
The manual pages are only a small part of git-core-doc, though:
13276 usr/share/doc
984 usr/share/man
Would it make sense to split them into their own package (perhaps for
Fedora 26)?
Florian
6 years, 10 months
hibernation redux, possible blocker bug
by Chris Murphy
Another hibernation bug came up for blocker review today.
systemd-logind does not verify if system has resume device defined
when checking if can.hibernate or can.hybridsleep
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1332266#c6
Converse to the description, the most compelling aspect is the
screenshot in comment 6, in which GNOME shell puts up a notification
stating that the system will hibernate soon. But of course that can't
work on Fedora right now because the required command line
"resume=<swap>" does not exist.
QA is right on the fence whether this behavior is sufficiently
misleading and bad as to violate the data corruption/loss release
criterion. In reality the system will merely be shutdown, so why not
just say that?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_24_Final_Release_Criteria#Data_corr...
Question for the WG is, is is possible to change
/etc/UPower/UPower.conf such that
- CriticalPowerAction=HybridSleep
+ CriticalPowerAction=PowerOff
That way the misleading message shouldn't happen?
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Chris Murphy
6 years, 10 months
