desktop September 2016

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[wayland] Applications are unable to grab input
by Christian Stadelmann 20 Apr '17

20 Apr '17

One main difference between x11 and wayland is that in x11 all applications receive all input whereas in wayland the compositor receives input and decides which application may receive it. This causes a major issue with application which need input grab for running or showing a nested desktop. This affects e.g. GUI virtual machines (SPICE clients), RDP clients, VNC clients, nested kwin/gnome-shell/whatever. See also: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1285770 . Games might also be affected, I don't know. I'm posting this here to raise attention because 1. to fix this we need another protocol (extension) 2. this issue can't be fixed in a single application, it needs the whole stack (wayland library, compositors, affected applications) to change Compared to the other bugs in "WaylandRelated" lists [1] [2], these bugs need architecture design, not just fixing bugs in one package. I don't know whether this mailing list is the right place to discuss an issue like this. If you know better, please tell me. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1277927&hide_resolved… [2] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=757579&hide_resolved=1

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Fedora Release Tools Demo (Canceled) - Written Status
by Amanda Carter 07 Nov '16

07 Nov '16

Hi folks, due to travel and various obstacles, we're not able to host a recorded demo this month. Instead we've put together a status report that includes some additional highlights we think you might be interested in. If you have feedback and/or think this works well, I'd love to know b/c I think this vehicle covers more information than a demo alone so I might do both in the future if it's worth it. Apologies for missing the actual show and tell - if there's anything you'd like to see specifically, I'm sure we can arrange something. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/StatusReport#13SEP2016 -- Amanda Carter

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coredumpctl integration for F25
by Michael Catanzaro 14 Oct '16

14 Oct '16

Hi, Currently we have coredumpctl installed by default, but it doesn't work because core dumps are consumed by ABRT instead. I'd like to get coredumpctl working out-of-the-box. We can do this by changing our systemd presets [1] to disable abrt-ccpp.service. ABRT will continue to function thanks to the ABRT developers' work on coredumpctl integration via abrt-vmcore.service. There is a somewhat- reduced feature set, but I've been running this for several months happily and I haven't noticed any issues; my crashes are being reported to FAF, and I can manually report to Bugzilla. See [2] for details. This might be slightly controversial for two reasons. First, the big change here is that core dumps will appear in the magical and super- awesome coredumpctl tool in addition to ABRT, but would no longer be created in the cwd when ulimit is set appropriately (we would need to feature that in the release notes). This aligns us with upstream systemd behavior, but diverges from Debian and Ubuntu, which still create the old-style coredumps in the cwd. Second, my understanding is that the ABRT developers prefer to improve abrt-cli and tell people to use that rather than coredumpctl. But as coredumpctl is very mature (nicer) and cross-distro so it gets many more contributors, I definitely prefer to instruct people to use coredumpctl instead for C/C++ crashes. We could totally do this change for F24 as well as it should be just a one-line change, but in the spirit of beta freeze I figure it's probably best left for F25. Michael [1] https://pagure.io/fedora-release/blob/master/f/90-default.preset [2] https://github.com/abrt/abrt/issues/1108

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Fedora 25 Wayland Test Day proposal
by Adam Williamson 11 Oct '16

11 Oct '16

Hi folks! It seems like a sensible idea to hold a Wayland Test Day for Fedora 25, with the switch to using it by default for Workstation. I've opened a Test Day ticket in QA trac: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/492 it'd be great to get feedback on the date - ideally it'd be great to have some devs around, so please, if you're one of the main upstream/downstream devs/maintainers give your feedback on the proposed date, 2016-10-06 - and it'd also be great to have ideas for what stuff we should test outside of the standard desktop validation tests: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Desktop_Acceptance_Test_Cases Thanks everyone! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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workstation ostree status
by Dennis Gilmore 10 Oct '16

10 Oct '16

Hi All, I have been working on making sure we have the workstation ostree available for Beta, and I have hit a snag. there is a bunch of packages included that are not available in the workstation package set. diff --git a/fedora-ostree-workstation.json b/fedora-ostree-workstation.json index bdbda90..c9715c6 100644 --- a/fedora-ostree-workstation.json +++ b/fedora-ostree-workstation.json @@ -60,7 +60,6 @@ "audit", "augeas-libs", "authconfig", - "autogen-libopts", "avahi", "b43-fwcutter", "b43-openfwwf", @@ -74,7 +73,6 @@ "bind-libs-lite", "bind-license", "bind-utils", - "binutils", "bluez-cups", "boost-iostreams", "boost-random", @@ -97,7 +95,6 @@ "coreutils", "corosync", "corosynclib", - "cpp", "crda", "createrepo_c", "createrepo_c-libs", @@ -125,7 +122,6 @@ "dnf-yum", "dos2unix", "dracut-config-generic", - "dracut-live", "dracut-network", "drpm", "e2fsprogs", @@ -142,12 +138,10 @@ "evolution-ews", "evolution-help", "fcoe-utils", - "fedora-bookmarks", "fedora-productimg-workstation", "fedora-release-workstation", "fedora-user-agent-chrome", "file-roller", - "file-roller-nautilus", "firefox", "firewalld", "firewalld-filesystem", @@ -160,8 +154,6 @@ "fprintd-pam", "fros", "fros-gnome", - "gcc", - "gcc-gdb-plugin", "gdb", "gdm", "gedit", @@ -171,8 +163,6 @@ "glade-libs", "glibc", "glibc", - "glibc-devel", - "glibc-headers", "glibc-langpack-en", "glib-networking", "glusterfs", @@ -216,8 +206,6 @@ "gnu-free-serif-fonts", "gnupg", "gnupg2", - "gnutls-dane", - "gnutls-utils", "google-android-emoji-fonts", "google-noto-fonts-common", "google-noto-sans-lisu-fonts", @@ -273,7 +261,6 @@ "ipw2100-firmware", "ipw2200-firmware", "ipxe-roms-qemu", - "isl", "isomd5sum", "iw", "iwl1000-firmware", @@ -295,19 +282,16 @@ "jansson", "jimtcl", "jomolhari-fonts", - "js-jquery", "jwhois", "kbd", "kbd-legacy", "kbd-misc", "kernel", - "kernel-headers", "kernel-modules-extra", "kexec-tools", "keybinder3", "khmeros-base-fonts", "khmeros-fonts-common", - "langpacks-en", "langtable", "langtable-data", "langtable-python3", @@ -357,7 +341,6 @@ "libkkc-common", "libkkc-data", "libmng", - "libmpc", "libmspack", "libmspub", "libmwaw", @@ -380,7 +363,6 @@ "libreoffice-graphicfilter", "libreoffice-impress", "libreoffice-math", - "libreoffice-ogltrans", "libreoffice-pdfimport", "libreoffice-pyuno", "libreoffice-writer", @@ -400,19 +382,13 @@ "librsvg2", "libsamplerate", "libsane-hpaio", - "libsss_autofs", "libsss_idmap", "libsss_nss_idmap", - "libsss_sudo", "libtar", "libteam", "libtimezonemap", - "libtranslit", - "libtranslit-m17n", "libusal", - "libvirt-client", "libvirt-daemon", - "libvirt-daemon-config-network", "libvirt-daemon-driver-interface", "libvirt-daemon-driver-network", "libvirt-daemon-driver-nodedev", @@ -433,7 +409,6 @@ "libXxf86dga", "libzhuyin", "libzhuyin-data", - "linux-atm-libs", "lklug-fonts", "lldpad", "logrotate", @@ -459,7 +434,6 @@ "marisa", "mcelog", "media-player-info", - "memtest86+", "mesa-dri-drivers", "mesa-libxatracker", "microcode_ctl", @@ -486,7 +460,6 @@ "NetworkManager-wifi", "NetworkManager-wwan", "nfs-utils", - "nss-altfiles", "nss-mdns", "nss-softokn-freebl", "numactl-libs", @@ -495,7 +468,6 @@ "openssh-clients", "openssh-server", "orca", - "ostree-grub2", "oxygen-icon-theme", "PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin", "paktype-naskh-basic-fonts", @@ -551,8 +523,6 @@ "plymouth-theme-charge", "plymouth-theme-charge", "policycoreutils", - "policycoreutils-python", - "policycoreutils-python-utils", "polkit", "poppler-utils", "procps-ng", @@ -596,7 +566,6 @@ "python3-slip", "python3-slip-dbus", "python3-systemd", - "python-systemd-doc", "qemu-common", "qemu-guest-agent", "qemu-img", @@ -619,7 +588,6 @@ "rng-tools", "rootfiles", "rpm", - "rpm-ostree", "rpm-plugin-systemd-inhibit", "rp-pppoe", "rsync", @@ -667,7 +635,6 @@ "sssd-krb5", "sssd-krb5-common", "sssd-ldap", - "sssd-proxy", "stix-fonts", "sudo", "sushi", @@ -690,12 +657,10 @@ "tigervnc-license", "tigervnc-server-minimal", "time", - "timedatex", "totem", "totem-nautilus", "traceroute", "tree", - "unbound-libs", "unoconv", "usb_modeswitch", "usb_modeswitch-data", @@ -705,12 +670,10 @@ "util-linux", "vconfig", "vim-minimal", - "vinagre", "virglrenderer", "vlgothic-fonts", "volume_key-libs", "vte3", - "web-assets-filesystem", "wget", "which", "wireless-tools", @@ -740,7 +703,6 @@ "xorg-x11-drv-nouveau", "xorg-x11-drv-openchrome", "xorg-x11-drv-qxl", - "xorg-x11-drv-synaptics", "xorg-x11-drv-vesa", "xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse", "xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse", I believe that file-roller-nautilus has been removed and should be removed. as to the rest the WG needs to decide to make changes and pull them into the workstation packageset. which will need a combination of comps and pungi config changes, or they need to be removed from the workstation ostree. some like rpm-ostree, ostree-grub2 should be pulled into workstation. fedora- bookmarks I have added to the firefox group in comps and it should be there tomorrow. Dennis

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USB writing changes: wiki instructions, tests
by Adam Williamson 30 Sep '16

30 Sep '16

Hey folks! Wanted to send a heads-up that I've made some fairly significant changes to the wiki regarding writing Fedora to USB. I've done (yet another) revision of the main wiki instructions for writing USB sticks: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB since the Fedora Media Writer tool - the rewrite (of the rewrite?) of LiveUSB Creator - now looks to be working well in testing, and is available on all our target platforms, the page now heavily promotes it as the best tool to use in almost all cases. Some other methods have been entirely removed - FMW should be a better choice for Windows and macOS than the tools that were listed before. I retained sections for: * livecd-iso-to-disk, as it's now the only tool that supports non- destructive write and data persistence * gnome-disk-utility, for non-Fedora *nix without Flatpak support * dd, for non-Fedora *nix without Flatpak or GNOME and people who just like dd * unetbootin, because the section basically exists to explicitly state that we don't support it (maybe we should add a similar section for Rufus...) Please do tell me about any problems you note, or if you think I removed something wrongly, or anything. Note that as of right now the best version of mediawriter for F23 and F24 is in updates-testing, so I had the instructions to install it include `--enablerepo=updates- testing`; I'm expecting the updates will go stable soon and we can remove that. For validation testing folks, I have also revised the USB validation test cases. I really kinda hated the way the Installation matrix was set up with test names that didn't match the test case page names for no good reason, and also didn't think we really needed all the different test cases, so I've consolidated them into three consistently-named test cases with more result columns: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_USB_dd https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_USB_fmw https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_USB_litd The effect is pretty much the same as before - except that we now include the FMW test instead of the LiveUSB Creator test - we test all three methods for both BIOS and UEFI and for both live and DVD images, but it's just arranged a little differently (and, I hope, better). I combined the separate 'live' and 'dvd' versions of the dd and litd test cases (which were barely different at all) into single test cases, and consolidated common wording between all the test cases using templates. I've put this change live on the current Installation validation page - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_25_Branched_20160930.n.0… again, please let me know of any problems you see with this change :) Thanks everyone! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Workstation WG meeting recap 2016-Sep-28
by Paul W. Frields 28 Sep '16

28 Sep '16

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-09-28/workstation.201… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-09-28/workstation.201… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-09-28/workstation.201… * * * =============================== #fedora-meeting: Workstation WG =============================== Meeting started by stickster at 15:00:06 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-09-28/workstation.201… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (stickster, 15:00:10) * OStree image as deliverable (stickster, 15:03:25) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.o… (stickster, 15:03:30) * AGREED: Don't include ostree workstation in any publicity stuff, and submit Change for F26 with the expectation that during this cycle, iteration will make it more suitable for public consumption (+1: 6, 0: 0, -1: 0) (stickster, 15:13:28) * ACTION: mclasen consult with jkurik, edit Change page, and put into appropriate ready-for-wrangler and F26 categories (stickster, 15:14:39) * ACTION: stickster make sure ostree workstation doesn't appear in publicity materials (stickster, 15:14:55) * GNOME 3.22 pending issues (stickster, 15:16:26) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1378985 (stickster, 15:19:16) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1378987 (stickster, 15:19:19) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1379440 and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1366897 are my wishlist (mcatanzaro, 15:19:59) * LINK: http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhwsvuLJ6t1qzig84o1_400.gif (stickster, 15:25:48) * Let's try to keep an eye on any serious issues that need noted in the Common Bugs page for Beta (stickster, 15:26:32) * Talking points completion (stickster, 15:27:47) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_25_talking_points#Fedora_Workstation (stickster, 15:27:49) * All other business (open floor) (stickster, 15:34:24) Meeting ended at 15:37:19 UTC. Action Items ------------ * mclasen consult with jkurik, edit Change page, and put into appropriate ready-for-wrangler and F26 categories * stickster make sure ostree workstation doesn't appear in publicity materials Action Items, by person ----------------------- * mclasen * mclasen consult with jkurik, edit Change page, and put into appropriate ready-for-wrangler and F26 categories * stickster * stickster make sure ostree workstation doesn't appear in publicity materials * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (56) * zodbot (13) * mcatanzaro (11) * mclasen (11) * kalev (10) * sgallagh (4) * rdieter (3) * otaylor (3) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Wayland-by-default blockers
by Matthias Clasen 28 Sep '16

28 Sep '16

As promised in the working group meeting last week, I went through the bugs on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=WaylandRelated and made an attempt to extract a shorter list of serious issues that we should treat as blockers for Wayland-by-default. Here is the result: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=Wayland ByDefault I'm not sure I was 100% successful, but I tried to stick to shell crashes and issues that cut across multiple apps.

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Please test f25-backgrounds
by Luya Tshimbalanga 27 Sep '16

27 Sep '16

Hello team, f25-backgrounds is now submitted in update-testing [1] as beta freeze schedule is set for tomorrow (Tuesday). Please give a karma to make available on stable repository. Thank you Reference ------------- [1] https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-01b667a139 -- Luya Tshimbalanga Graphic & Web Designer E: luya(a)fedoraproject.org W: http://www.coolest-storm.net

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Request for review of blocking deliverables for Fedora 25
by Jan Kurik 27 Sep '16

27 Sep '16

Hi Workstation WG, I would like to request review of the WG deliverables for Fedora 25 release. The list of deliverables is available on wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Program_Management/ReleaseBlocking/Fe… Please let me know, or edit the wiki page, in case there are missing deliverables or the current ones have wrong blocking status. There is going to be overall review done by FESCo, probably on 2016-Sep-30 for all the blocking deliverables. Thanks and Best Regards, Jan -- Jan Kuřík Platform & Fedora Program Manager Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic

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