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RFC - gobject-introspection rpm provides
by Yanko Kaneti 16 Feb '18

16 Feb '18

Hello, How about generating rpm provides for gir typelibs at buildtime ? pull request doing something of the sort in https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/gobject-introspection/pull-request/1 eg gir-1.0(NMGtk-1.0)(x86-64) provided by libnm-gtk The requires on those I guess should be manual for the time being. I realize it probably qualifies as a system wide change, but decided to first bring it up here. Regards Yanko

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Introducing Suzanne Yeghiayan (aka Sly)
by Suzanne Yeghiayan 01 Dec '17

01 Dec '17

Hi, I wanted to introduce myself since I am taking over Kate Carcia's role as the Fedora DevOps Program Manager. I've been at Red Hat nearly 12 years and spent the first 6.5 years as a RHEL Program Manager. I still work for a Red Hat engineering manager as his Chief of Staff but wanted to help out here as well. It's been 5.5 years since I've been in this type of role, so please be patient with me. I'm excited for this opportunity and to work with you. Thanks, Sly sly(a)redhat.com

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First Atomic Workstation/WorkstationOstree update
by Colin Walters 01 Dec '17

01 Dec '17

In Fedora 27 we released https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/27/WorkstationOstree… Now that https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/373 is fixed, the first update is available, i.e. you can `rpm-ostree upgrade`. ``` # rpm-ostree status State: idle Deployments: fedora-workstation:fedora/27/x86_64/workstation Version: 27.4 (2017-11-27 18:48:44) Commit: 2ee80f9aeb4c7fb4abe08c6e54fb0fd494e6ece00044ee3c8d78672cf44b64b7 GPGSignature: Valid signature by 860E19B0AFA800A1751881A6F55E7430F5282EE4 ● fedora-workstation:fedora/27/x86_64/workstation Version: 27.1.6 (2017-11-05 07:09:26) Commit: 508b92bec034a075873091c57eae549acec3814d2381da103448f980814296fa GPGSignature: Valid signature by 860E19B0AFA800A1751881A6F55E7430F5282EE4 ``` Having an updated ostree commit stream in sync with the bodhi batches should help with synchronization issues. There's a bit more information about the project at https://pagure.io/workstation-ostree-config I and several other people use it as a "daily driver"; as the page says I think the project is useful for interested technical users, but there's a whole lot more to do; I just noticed the rpm-ostree plugin for gnome-software isn't enabled, going to fix that. I'd also really like to plumb through automatic updates by default. A big picture question is how much we stay in sync with Workstation as it exists today; for example I find it confusing to have applications both via rpm and flatpak, and I think it'd make sense to thin things down more. At least drop gnome-boxes by default, and potentially libvirt too. In this path we'd really be expecting most users to do package layering for things like that; personally I use `vagrant-libvirt` a lot for example. But OTOH there's already PRs like: https://pagure.io/workstation-ostree-config/pull-request/47 which add things.

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Help for debugging GNOME related (owncloud/nextcloud)-client bug
by Germano Massullo 29 Nov '17

29 Nov '17

Hi there, I am one of owncloud-client and nextcloud-client maintainers. I am here to ask for help concerning a bug that affects GNOME users experience with owncloud-client and nextcloud-client (which is a clone of owncloud-client) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1487700 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1487701 Allan Day's description: ============ If you click on the application launcher, the client's settings window isn't shown, even if the app is already running. This is the incorrect behaviour according to the upstream developers [1]. It is also inconsistent with how the ownCloud client behaves on other platforms (I've tested Ubuntu and Arch) as well as the upstream development version [2]. [1] https://github.com/owncloud/client/issues/5986 [2] https://software.opensuse.org/download/package?project=isv:ownCloud:communi… ============ users say that upstream RPM package is not affected by this bug. I tried to figure out where is the problem, but I had no success. Moreover I am mainly a KDE Plasma user, so I did not have the opportunity to test well lastest GNOME changes. Thank you for your time

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by stickster＠gmail.com 28 Nov '17

28 Nov '17

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2017-11-20 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 America/New_York At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: [https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting](https… More information available at: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/… Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/6411/

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Gedit, flatpak version is older than Fedora 27's
by Chris Murphy 27 Nov '17

27 Nov '17

Fedora 27 Workstation comes with gedit 3.22.1. But for flatpak it's 3.22.0. Is this expected? I expect that the flatpak version would show up sooner, or at least appear at the same time as an updated package for Fedora. $ flatpak info org.gnome.gedit/x86_64/stable Ref: app/org.gnome.gedit/x86_64/stable ID: org.gnome.gedit Arch: x86_64 Branch: stable Origin: org.gnome.gedit-origin Commit: 522c9f5e0d05242cd3c9d250c83a6af36b9c41c20b6099513417043bbdc7833e Location: /var/lib/flatpak/app/org.gnome.gedit/x86_64/stable/522c9f5e0d05242cd3c9d250c83a6af36b9c41c20b6099513417043bbdc7833e Installed size: 11.1 MB Runtime: org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.24 [chris@f27h ~]$ -- Chris Murphy

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2017-11-27 @ 17:00 UTC - Fedora 27/28 Blocker Review Meeting
by Adam Williamson 26 Nov '17

26 Nov '17

# F27/28 Blocker Review meeting # Date: 2017-11-27 # Time: 17:00 UTC # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net Hi folks! We have one proposed blocker for Modular Server Final, and a few proposed blockers for Fedora 28 Beta and Final, so let's have a quick review meeting tomorrow. If you have time tonight, you can take a look at the proposed or accepted blockers before the meeting - the full lists can be found here: https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/ . We'll be evaluating these bugs to see if they violate any of the Release Criteria and warrant the blocking of a release if they're not fixed. Information on the release criteria for F27/28 can be found on the wiki [0]. For more information about the Blocker and Freeze exception process, check out these links: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_freeze_exception_bug_process And for those of you who are curious how a Blocker Review Meeting works - or how it's supposed to go and you want to run one - check out the SOP on the wiki: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting Have a good evening and see you tomorrow! [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net

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Re: Add support of the Totem on the Dell Canvas 27
by Benjamin Tissoires 13 Nov '17

13 Nov '17

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Bastien Nocera <hadess(a)hadess.net> wrote: > On Mon, 2017-11-13 at 10:36 +0100, Benjamin Tissoires wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Bastien Nocera <hadess(a)hadess.net> >> wrote: >> > On Mon, 2017-11-13 at 09:38 +0100, Benjamin Tissoires wrote: >> > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Peter Hutterer >> > > <peter.hutterer(a)who-t.net> wrote: >> > > > >> > >> > <snip> >> > >> > You didn't answer this bit of my original mail: >> > > > I think it would be good for Fedora and Gnome to support such a >> > > > tool, >> > > > given that studios are the main target for it. >> > > >> > > But do we know whether they’re going to use it? It’s not like you >> > > can >> > > plop down about 100€ got the functionality, you also need the >> > > huge >> > > expensive tablet to go with it. >> > >> > Is this actually going to be used? >> >> I honestly can not say if it will be bought by studios or not. >> But the fact that both Microsoft and Dell have nearly the same tool, >> and that Wacom also has the ExpressKey Remote that you can freely >> move >> on the surface > > I didn't know the ExpressKey Remote was location sensitive as well, > thanks. > Sorry, I should have been clearer. The ExpressKey Remote is *not* location sensitive, but you can use it wherever you like, and pictures shows that it is meant to be used with the second hand, on the surface as well. So in a way it is meant to be used the same way, but the software feedback is different because we lack the coordinates information. Cheers, Benjamin

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Re: Add support of the Totem on the Dell Canvas 27
by Benjamin Tissoires 13 Nov '17

13 Nov '17

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Bastien Nocera <hadess(a)hadess.net> wrote: > On Mon, 2017-11-13 at 09:38 +0100, Benjamin Tissoires wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Peter Hutterer >> <peter.hutterer(a)who-t.net> wrote: >> > > <snip> > > You didn't answer this bit of my original mail: >> > I think it would be good for Fedora and Gnome to support such a tool, >> > given that studios are the main target for it. >> >> But do we know whether they’re going to use it? It’s not like you can >> plop down about 100€ got the functionality, you also need the huge >> expensive tablet to go with it. > > Is this actually going to be used? I honestly can not say if it will be bought by studios or not. But the fact that both Microsoft and Dell have nearly the same tool, and that Wacom also has the ExpressKey Remote that you can freely move on the surface makes me believe the trend is that we are going to see more similar devices. (side note: I have no insights in MS, Dell, nor Wacom product maps). MS has integrated the tool in its latest Creative version of Windows (or whatever it is called), so I guess this is not just a one of. Cheers, Benjamin

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Re: Add support of the Totem on the Dell Canvas 27
by Peter Hutterer 13 Nov '17

13 Nov '17

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 04:46:39PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Fri, 2017-11-10 at 21:47 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > > > On 10 Nov 2017, at 11:16, Benjamin Tissoires <benjamin.tissoires@gmai > > l.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > The Dell Canvas 27 has a new tool called the Totem[1]. > > > This tool is aimed at popping up a menu right around it and the > > > user > > > can select the desired menu by turning the tool and pushing it (it > > > has > > > an embedded button). > > > > Apart from the coordinates telling you where it is on screen, what’s > > the difference with the USB and later BLE versions of the PowerMate: > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin_PowerMate > > https://griffintechnology.com/us/powermate-bluetooth > > I also found another stand-alone tool that works similarly, the > Logitech Craft keyboard: > https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B074KFNJQJ/ closer to the griffin powermate, imo > (About 200 units of currency) > > As well as 2 devices from 3D Connexion: > https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B000LB7G00/ > https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00283VWK4/ I have an old version of the second one floating around. These are 3D mice and not the same as the totem. They're designed for full 3d navigation in e.g. blender and provide the axes accordingly (they're basically a joystick). The usage patterns are quite different, I don't think we should throw those into the same category with the totem. Cheers, Peter

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