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Some performance criticisms of F25
by Michael Catanzaro 09 Jul '17

09 Jul '17

Hi, Jiri found this review (among many) of Fedora 25: http://www.hecticgeek.com/2016/12/fedora-25-review/ It includes a couple recommendations: * We should restore systemd-readahead to speed boot time by ~30% for users without SSDs. Endless has a downstream patch for this. Or we could use Ubuntu's readahead utility. * We should switch from CFQ to deadline I/O scheduler (which Ubuntu has been using for years) for subjective massive responsiveness improvements when the system is under load Of these, the later seems easier to change and more important. Anyone know why we're still using CFQ? If the answer is "it's better for servers" then perhaps we need a mechanism to adjust this on a per- product basis. Just wanted to put these issues back on the radar.... Michael

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Proposal: Add Google Chrome repo to fedora-workstation-repositories
by Jiri Eischmann 06 Jun '17

06 Jun '17

Hi everyone, we've worked with Google to make sure that the way they ship Chrome meets our requirements for third party software inclusion. Appdata file which was the last missing piece is now shipped with the beta of the next version, so I think it's time to propose the Workstation Working Group that we add the Google Chrome repository to fedora-workstation- repositories. Reasoning: Google Chrome is the most popular web browser and perhaps third party software Fedora users install the most and now we would allow them to install it from a Fedora-curated list of 3rd party software. cat /etc/yum.repos.d/google-chrome.repo [google-chrome] name=google-chrome baseurl=http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/rpm/stable/x86_64 enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=https://dl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub Jiri

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User's Feedback
by Jiri Eischmann 30 May '17

30 May '17

Hi, last week I asked on my Czech blog what people are missing on the Linux desktop, mainly Fedora Workstation. It was picked by all major Czech Linux sites and received literally hundreds of responses. I went through them and created a summary for you. Some of it are well-known issues/features, some points were new to me. If something is not clear, just let me know and I'll be happy to explain it: INSTALLER It was mentioned several times as something that put off users when trying Fedora. In pretty much all cases it was partitioning that was the problem (too complicated, different to what they're used to). Some of the experiences were a couple of years old, so it might have improved, but apparently we still have reserves here. One of the more concrete points: * Missing ability to choose where to place the bootloader (it's there, but very well hidden and cumbersome to set up). UPDATES Quite a few people complained about having to restart to install updates. I know objective reasons for this, but it's important to understand that it's perceived as annoying by users and we should strive for minimizing the number of packages that need to be updated offline. UPGRADES One of the most frequent request was an LTS version. When I asked why, the answer was typically that upgrades still bring incompatibilities, regressions, lost settings. The most frequently mentioned offender was NM, other mentioned problems were mostly hardware related (regressions in graphics, dockin station support, sound). SHELL * the Activities hot corner is triggered too easily. We used to have the "pressure" feature on X11 which prevented accidental triggering, but it seems to be gone on Wayland. It's a UX problem for many users. * Ability to turn off effects on less powerful computers. * Some extensions make the Shell crash. * Switching between keyboard layouts loses focus (e.g. when you press Super+Space while e.g. typing in a search field you need to click to the search field again to continue typing) * When you use one of the tiling gestures you then can't change the size of the tiled window. * There is no presentation mode which would disable notifications, screensaver inhibitor etc. * Multitouch gestures more widely used and unified across the desktop (GTK vs Qt). GDM * You can not turn NumLock on by default. * You have to restart to switch from GNOME Classic to GNOME (perhaps a bug in F25?). WAYLAND Not really big surprises here: * Missing remote desktop (one of the most frequent comments at all). * Missing color picker support. * Missing screen sharing. * Missing something like xdotool (shotcuts for window manipulations, e.g. to show/hide a window of certain app) SETTINGS * Many people complained about splitting settings into g-c-c and g-t-t, tried to explain the reason, but nevertheless it's one of the most common complaints. LOCALIZATION Users don't get a fully localized system after installing Fedora. Many languages don't have all l10n packages on the installation ISO and users have to run 'sudo dnf install langpacks-*' manually to install missing packages, but most users don't have a clue about this and just think that the missing localization is not in Fedora at all. Mainly LibreOffice suffers from this not being localized at all. This is a long known problem and we should really fix it and install the missing packages automatically either during installation or in the initial experience. There have been a couple of other complaints about locatization, everything language specific. But localization seems to be very important to users and they're very sensitive to untranslated pieces of UI, especially if it's what's perceived as part of the system, it makes the system look amateurish. PDF Many complaints about PDF support, mostly: * Evince doesn't support non-ascii characters in PDF forms, this is a major problem for many people. * Some PDF forms refuse to work with anything but Acrobat Reader although they may work just fine with Evince, faking a reader's identity might be a solution here. * Incomplete support for PDF 1.7. DIALOGS * "file save dialog" doesn't have "Recent" any more and if you save a couple of files in the same location, you have to go through the full path every time instead of clicking Recent and pick the destination folder directly. APPLICATIONS * gnome-software has problems to fetch content (e.g. screenshots) behind a proxy. * A new chat app (unlikely to happen due to the nature of current IM services). * More modern and better looking presentation templates and graphs in LibreOffice. * Ability to install Android apps. * Difficult Thunderbird<->Evolution migration. * OneDrive integration in Nautilus/GOA. * Firefox should have tabs integrated into the title bar just like on Window. * Cannot connect to GOA accounts after log out and log in to the account (it's a known systemd bug, but a pretty annoying one and we have had it for several releases already). GPU as expected a very hot area, most frequent complaints: * Nvidia driver is hard to install and it breaks with kernel updates. * Support for switchable graphics cards (not sure the complainers have tried F25 and newer). * Support for video output through different cards. HARDWARE People ask for supported laptop models where stuff like suspend, hot keys, wifi, bluetooth would be quaranteed to work on Fedora. * Canon printers need to be set up after every kernel update. * Better battery life. * Missing a "Pan/Scroll" feature in Wacom tablet support. * Fedora support for ARM laptops (Chromebooks). * Bad support for screen between 120 and 192 DPI which is a vast majority of monitors with better DPI in the market. Users can partly fix it by manual tweaks (larger fonts etc.), but they can't be done per screen. SOUND * Can't control volume of a connected bluetooth speaker (general problem or device specific?). * PulseAudio doesn't remember settings for multichannel setups after restart. GRUB * a tool on a live ISO the user can boot and fix their broken bootloader. BUG HANDLING A couple of users complained that bug reports in RHBZ get ignored which discourages them to report problems. Jiri

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Proposal: Add negativo17.org nvidia-driver repo to fedora-workstation-repositories
by Hans de Goede 24 May '17

24 May '17

Hi All, As discussed in various venues before we have been working on getting the nvidia binary driver packaged in a way where users who want to can install it without having there being a significant chance of their Fedora installation ending up broken somehow. As part of this we've moved to libglvnd as the libGL (and friends) implementation so that the mesa and nvidia OpenGL stacks can co-exist without needing to play LD_LIBRARY_PATH tricks. Also the Xserver's config file syntax has been extended so that we can now make it automatically configure everything the right way even when the nvidia driver is used on optimus setups as well as automatically switch between the mesa / nouveau DDX and OpenGL stacks based on which kernel driver is loaded. TL;DR: userspace will no fully automatically use the right stack depending on which kernel driver is loaded, meaning that if the nvidia driver fails to load for some reason (e.g. it does not build after a kernel update) users will now simply get the nouveau stack rather then a black screen. Also see: http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/16668.html I've been working together with Simone Caronni from the negativo17 repo to make sure that the nvidia packages there use the new Xorg syntax and that autofallback works smoothly. We're now at a point where I believe the nvidia-driver packages from the negativo17 repo are ready for general consumption and I would like to add the repo to the fedora-workstation-repositories package. Specifically I plan to add the following .repo file: [fedora-nvidia] name=negativo17 - Nvidia baseurl=https://negativo17.org/repos/nvidia/fedora-$releasever/$basearch/ enabled=0 skip_if_unavailable=1 gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=https://negativo17.org/repos/RPM-GPG-KEY-slaanesh enabled_metadata=1 metadata_expire=6h [fedora-nvidia-source] name=negativo17 - Nvidia - Source baseurl=https://negativo17.org/repos/nvidia/fedora-$releasever/SRPMS enabled=0 skip_if_unavailable=1 gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=https://negativo17.org/repos/RPM-GPG-KEY-slaanesh enabled_metadata=1 metadata_expire=6h If I understand the procedure correctly the Workstation Working Group needs to have a meeting and vote on this before I move forward with adding this .repo file, hence this mail. Regards, Hans

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Workstation WG meeting recap 2017-May-22
by Paul W. Frields 23 May '17

23 May '17

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2017-05-22-… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2017-05-22-… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2017-05-22-… * * * ================================= #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG ================================= Meeting started by stickster at 13:01:54 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-05-22/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (stickster, 13:02:01) * stickster is coming in cold after three weeks away, so pardon the mess (stickster, 13:02:49) * gnome-nautilus-terminal by default (stickster, 13:06:53) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/10 (stickster, 13:06:58) * ACTION: mclasen follow up with kalev to get this package into the complement as was expected last month (stickster, 13:10:38) * fedora-workstation-repositories not in default install (stickster, 13:11:01) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/17 (stickster, 13:11:03) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/fedora-repos (ryanlerch, 13:16:33) * ACTION: cschalle check with mboddu about adding -workstation subpackage to fedora-repos as a solution to getting Workstation specific repos in (stickster, 13:31:17) * Default apps decided by Workstation WG (stickster, 13:39:53) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/17 (stickster, 13:39:55) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/14 (mcatanzaro_, 13:41:08) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/14 (mcatanzaro_, 13:41:16) * anaconda requires blivet-gui so the .desktop file is being dragged in by default... a blocker criterion here would allow us to force a solution (stickster, 13:45:45) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1449752 (mcatanzaro_, 13:46:53) * ACTION: mcatanzaro_ consult with QA and make change in our guidelines for Final blocker, so we can get blivet-gui removed from the default Workstation install (stickster, 13:53:15) * Next meeting (stickster, 13:55:11) * Next meeting is 09:00am EDT (1300 UTC) on 2017-Jun-05, see you then! (stickster, 13:55:37) * ACTION: stickster file updates on all Pagure issues covered in this meeting (stickster, 13:55:54) Meeting ended at 13:56:34 UTC. Action Items ------------ * mclasen follow up with kalev to get this package into the complement as was expected last month * cschalle check with mboddu about adding -workstation subpackage to fedora-repos as a solution to getting Workstation specific repos in * mcatanzaro_ consult with QA and make change in our guidelines for Final blocker, so we can get blivet-gui removed from the default Workstation install * stickster file updates on all Pagure issues covered in this meeting Action Items, by person ----------------------- * cschalle * cschalle check with mboddu about adding -workstation subpackage to fedora-repos as a solution to getting Workstation specific repos in * mcatanzaro_ * mcatanzaro_ consult with QA and make change in our guidelines for Final blocker, so we can get blivet-gui removed from the default Workstation install * mclasen * mclasen follow up with kalev to get this package into the complement as was expected last month * stickster * stickster file updates on all Pagure issues covered in this meeting * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (83) * mcatanzaro_ (32) * sgallagh (22) * cschalle (16) * juhp_ (16) * zodbot (13) * ryanlerch (10) * mclasen (10) * rdieter (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by stickster＠gmail.com 20 May '17

20 May '17

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2017-05-22 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 America/New_York At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. More information available at: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/… Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/5163/

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Background image and Fedora logo not going well together
by Christian Schaller 18 May '17

18 May '17

Hi, Just noticed that with the current F26 background image the Fedora logo is invisible since we use the white Fedora logo and the bottom right corner of the background image is also white. We should change the background image so we got something visible :) Christian

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Fedora-workstation-repositories not part of default install
by Christian Schaller 18 May '17

18 May '17

Hi, Also noticed today on my F26 fresh install that the Fedora-workstation-repositories package is not installed by default. Christian

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Fedora 26 Beta blocker status mail #1
by Adam Williamson 12 May '17

12 May '17

Hi folks! The Fedora 26 Beta freeze is fast approaching (it's 2017-05- 16), so it's time for a blocker status mail. tl;dr action summary ==================== 1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1448923 ACTION: Preferably, Firefox maintainer (mstransky) to fix build on ARM 2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1443415 ACTION: dnf team to investigate problem and come up with a fix 3. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1446432 ACTION: QA to build a test image and verify fix 4. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1447777 ACTION: dracut maintainer (harald) to review patch, merge, and build 5. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1403352 ACTION: QA to run upgrade test and verify all is good 6. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1443206 ACTION: GNOME team (fmuellner) to investigate and fix remaining crashes (#1446879...) 7. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1438046 ACTION: maintainer (mkolman) to submit update, QA to verify 8. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1348688 ACTION: lvm/blivet folks (prajnoha / vpodzime) to investigate and fix 9. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1445302 ACTION: QA to build test image and verify fix Bug-by-bug detail ================= 1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1448923 - comps - NEW Xfce ARM image default browser is unavailable (image fails to build) There is apparently a build problem with Firefox 53 on ARM: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1443938 and the maintainer decided to just go ahead and disable ARM and build 53. The result of this is that all ARM images with Firefox in them fail to compose, including the Xfce image, which is a release-blocking image. We really want Firefox fixed, here, but *technically* the blocker could be resolved by shipping a different default browser. No-one thinks that's a good idea, though. 2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1443415 - dnf - NEW [TRACKING] Upgrade f25 to f26 get stuck in Cleanup This was reported against ppc64le (which is not a release-blocking arch) but was reported by pwhalen to also occur on armhfp (which is). Not sure where we stand on identifying/fixing it at present. FWIW, I have not seen this hit the openQA upgrade tests on i386/x86_64. 3. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1446432 - dnf - MODIFIED Minimal install option install full gnome desktop This is a problem with package selection during install (changing the default package group results in the default group *and* the newly-selected group both being installed). A fix is just now heading to updates-testing, so QA will need to build an image and check that this is fixed. 4. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1447777 - dracut - POST Since curl-7.53.1-7.fc26 , curl TLS transactions in initramfs environment are broken A change in how curl handles CA trust resulted in TLS transactions using curl not working from the initramfs environment. This mainly affects the installer (it means you can't use kickstarts or updates images from HTTPS servers). I've submitted a fix for this, it's waiting on dracut maintainer review and merge (and package build). 5. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1403352 - freeipa - ON_QA FreeIPA server install fails (and existing servers probably fail to start)... This is very likely resolved, but we're leaving it open because we still haven't got around to testing that an upgrade of an existing FreeIPA server from Fedora 25 to Fedora 26 works correctly. I will get on that next week. 6. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1443206 - libgweather - ON_QA gnome-shell consistently crashes in the middle of first-login gnome-initial-setup The initial crash here actually has been diagnosed and fixed, but the update was rejected because multiple testers saw a different crash. That crash is filed as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1446879, and we are now waiting on a fix for *that* crash from the GNOME team, so an update can go out that will pass testing. 7. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1438046 - initial-setup - POST initial-setup.service: Failed to set up stdin: Inappropriate ioctl for device A fix for this has just showed up today, and a tester verified that a scratch build appears to work. We now need mkolman to send out a proper build/update. 8. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1348688 - lvm2 - ASSIGNED Anaconda cannot access LVM partitions in a LUKS-encrypted disk partition after decryption This is about accessing a particular combined LVM/LUKS partitioning setup. We are waiting for a fix from the maintainers, here. A clear explanation of the offending setup is in comment #39. I am not sure if this is really an lvm2 issue or a blivet issue, so CCing both maintainers. 9. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1445302 - python-blivet - ON_QA partition on a FW RAID used as a PV is put into a list of filtered devices by blivet This is basically an issue with installing to firmware RAID, in the default setup where LVM is used. Updates appear to be pending, so QA needs to build an installer image with the relevant updates, and test it. Conclusion ========== Nine blockers is quite a few at this point, and several are waiting for analysis and fixes (not just testing), so it'd be great if the devs could get cracking on these soon. QA folks, we have several fixes to verify, and also more Beta tests to run, so please look at testcase_stats and run any missing tests! Thanks everyone! https://www.happyassassin.net/testcase_stats/26/ -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Propsing a Gnome Test Day for Fedora 26 Cycle
by Sumantro Mukherjee 09 May '17

09 May '17

Hey All, I wrote to Kalev before for planning a GNOME Test Day on the new change in Fedora 26 release cycle [1]. He suggested me to propose it here for the dates and getting some interested developers to take part. Also,I would like to know if there's any *specific* thing that needs testing. Test Day Ticket : [1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GNOME3.24 Thanks //sumantro Fedora QA

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