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Workstation WG meeting recap 2018-Jul-30
by Paul W. Frields 04 Aug '18

04 Aug '18

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-07-30/workstation.2… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-07-30/workstation.2… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-07-30/workstation.2… * * * ================================= #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG ================================= Meeting started by stickster at 13:06:57 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-07-30/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * roll call (stickster, 13:07:07) * Agenda is officially empty, see... (stickster, 13:09:01) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting (stickster, 13:09:03) * aday suggests we look at first run experience (stickster, 13:09:35) * First run experience (stickster, 13:09:40) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/57 (stickster, 13:10:52) * Seems like fixing g-i-s handoff to session probably will take precedence over new animation/tour work (which is bigger anyway) (stickster, 13:28:55) * g-i-s has some experience regressions to deal with as well (stickster, 13:29:21) * aday proposes we need new greeter before we add animations, or else it will mean repeat/redundant work (stickster, 13:30:13) * aday proposes new artwork is needed at minimum for stopgap, though (stickster, 13:30:37) * All other business / Open floor (stickster, 13:38:28) * aday is lead on design side for greeter redesign, but needs help from devs (stickster, 13:41:04) * ACTION: stickster file ticket for gnome-shell-chrome inclusion (or renamed package) (stickster, 13:47:57) * ACTION: mclasen gather info on how g-s-chrome works across browsers and bring to ticket for vote (stickster, 13:48:22) * LINK: https://pagure.io/teamsilverblue/issue/22 (mclasen, 13:50:20) * LINK: https://pagure.io/dusty/failed-composes/issue/580#comment-523684 (mclasen, 13:54:41) Meeting ended at 13:57:57 UTC. Action Items ------------ * stickster file ticket for gnome-shell-chrome inclusion (or renamed package) * mclasen gather info on how g-s-chrome works across browsers and bring to ticket for vote Action Items, by person ----------------------- * mclasen * mclasen gather info on how g-s-chrome works across browsers and bring to ticket for vote * stickster * stickster file ticket for gnome-shell-chrome inclusion (or renamed package) * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (56) * mclasen (29) * aday (19) * zodbot (12) * otaylor (11) * juhp (10) * cschalle (3) * ryanlerch (2) * kalev (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by stickster＠gmail.com 28 Jul '18

28 Jul '18

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2018-07-30 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 America/New_York At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Chair: * Monday Jun 18 - Michael Catanzaro * Monday Jul 02 - (deferred) * Monday Jul 16 - Matthias Clasen * Monday Jul 30 - Rex Dieter * Monday Aug 13 - (deferred, Flock) * Monday Aug 27 - Paul Frields * Monday Sep 10 - Kalev Lember * Monday Sep 24 - Ryan Lerch * Monday Oct 08 - Jens Petersen * Monday Oct 22 - Christian Schaller * Monday Nov 05 - Owen Taylor More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/6411/

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Re: Release criteria proposal: installing / removing software
by Adam Williamson 26 Jul '18

26 Jul '18

On Tue, 2018-07-17 at 15:09 -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: > On Mon, 2018-07-16 at 17:32 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > Basic: > > > > "The installed system must be able appropriately to install, remove, > > and update software with the default console tool for the relevant > > software type (e.g. default console package manager). This includes > > downloading of packages to be installed/updated." > > > > Just a small typo/grammar correction I think. > > "The installed system must be able to appropriately install, remove, > and update.." > > just moved the 'to' infront of appropriately.. Apologies if that's a > dumb thing to nit-pick. Otherwise looks good to me. This is the old English grammatical chestnut known as the "split infinitive" (or rather, in the case of my draft, the infinitive is intentionally *not* split). Both forms are used, and mean the same. The one I chose is sometimes considered the more 'classically' correct, and some stick-in-the-muds consider your form to be incorrect. Wikipedia has quite a good article on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_infinitive I instinctively like the non-split form here because, to me, it emphasizes more clearly that "appropriately" applies to all three actions. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Workstation WG meeting minutes
by Matthias Clasen 26 Jul '18

26 Jul '18

Minutes from this weeks workstation wg meeting are here: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-07-16/workstation.2…

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Release criteria proposal: installing / removing software
by Adam Williamson 16 Jul '18

16 Jul '18

Hi, folks! It's been noted a few times before that we have a release criterion that requires *updating* packages (or, these days, 'software', to cover things like modules) to work...but we don't have criteria covering other basic software management tasks, notably installing and removing. There is a possible justification for this: so long as update works, bugs in installation and removal can be fixed with updates. But really, it seems reasonable to me that we should require basic installation/removal of packages (and modules, and anything else we may choose to consider release critical now or in future, e.g. flatpaks, Shell extensions...) to work on release. So, I'm proposing we modify the existing Basic and Beta criteria that cover only updates, to also cover installation and removal. I like this a bit more than adding separate criteria as the footnotes would be very similar, and combining allows the footnotes to be shared. So, the Basic criterion would change from: "The installed system must be able to download and install appropriate updates with the default console tool for the relevant update type (e.g. default console package manager)." to: "The installed system must be able to install, remove, and install appropriate updates for software with the default console tool for the relevant software type (e.g. default console package manager). This includes downloading of packages to be installed/updated." the Beta criterion would similarly change from: "The installed system must be able to download and install appropriate updates with the default tool for the relevant update type in all release-blocking desktops (e.g. default graphical package manager)." to: "The installed system must be able to install, remove, and install appropriate updates for software with the default tool for the relevant update type in all release-blocking desktops (e.g. default graphical package manager). This includes downloading of packages to be installed/updated." the footnotes would be tweaked to refer more generically to 'software' and stuff instead of 'updates', just kinda logical changes to reflect the broadened criterion; I can go into detail on that if anyone wants. Obviously if the criterion change is agreed upon, we will add test cases to the test matrices. Thoughts, comments, suggestions, acks and nacks? Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by stickster＠gmail.com 14 Jul '18

14 Jul '18

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2018-07-16 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 America/New_York At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Chair: * Monday Jun 18 - Michael Catanzaro * Monday Jul 02 - (deferred) * Monday Jul 16 - Matthias Clasen * Monday Jul 30 - Rex Dieter * Monday Aug 13 - (deferred, Flock) * Monday Aug 27 - Paul Frields * Monday Sep 10 - Kalev Lember * Monday Sep 24 - Ryan Lerch * Monday Oct 08 - Jens Petersen * Monday Oct 22 - Christian Schaller * Monday Nov 05 - Owen Taylor More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/6411/

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by stickster＠gmail.com 02 Jul '18

02 Jul '18

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2018-07-02 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 America/New_York At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Chair: * Monday Jun 18 - Michael Catanzaro * Monday Jul 02 - Matthias Clasen * Monday Jul 16 - Rex Dieter * Monday Jul 30 - Paul Frields * Monday Aug 06 - Kalev Lember * Monday Aug 20 - Ryan Lerch * Monday Sep 03 - Jens Petersen * Monday Sep 17 - Christian Schaller * Monday Oct 01 - Owen Taylor More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/6411/

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