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F32, Automatic suspend isn't working.
by Chris Murphy 26 Apr '25

26 Apr '25

cross-posting test@ and desktop@ Fedora Workstation 32 (upgraded from f31) Laptop on battery power set aside, 12 hours later it's dead instead of sleeping. On F31 it reliably would sleep after 20 minutes. Sleep still happens when pressing the power button and closing the lid. It seems to be a GNOME automatic suspend timer problem. Using dconf editor, I changed the /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power/sleep-inactive-battery-timeout Custom value 30 and the problem doesn't happen. Is there a way to increase debug messages somehow to find out whether this timeout is being reached? And what process or policy is causing it to be reset? With the available information I can't figure out what's preventing sleep. -- Chris Murphy

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RFC/headsup: dropping device-mapper-multipath from workstation livecd
by Hans de Goede 29 Jun '20

29 Jun '20

Hi All, A while ago I noticed that Fedora ws installed from a livecd has systemd starting (and waiting for) the old obsolete udev-settle service. Which can cause a rather big increase if the bootup time. This is caused by 2 storage related .service files still bringing it into the boot by Requiring the udev-settle service: dmraid and device-mapper-multipath. Ideally these services would be rewritten to support event based activation, but that is quite unlikely to happen anytime soon. So I've come up with a small workaround for dmraid: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DisableDmraidOnFirstRun And for device-mapper-multipath my plan is to simply drop it from the livecd: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RemoveDeviceMapperMultipathFromWorks… My reasoning here is that multipath support is an enterprise data-center feature and we don't need to support that with the Workstation livecd. Most install in such a setup will likely be server or everything netboot installs anyways. Since this directly impacts the workstation product I thought it would be good to post a headsup here. The change has been announced on fedora-devel, so please reply there to keep all discussion surrounding this in a single place. Regards, Hans

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30 Jun, MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 26 Jun '20

26 Jun '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-6-30 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers == Agenda == - Minutes for 16 Jun meeting https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-18-… - Minutes for 23 Jun meeting https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-25-… - Announcements - Follow-ups and status reports - Topics #125 Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125#comment-661584 There is a proposal for discussion. - Open Floor -- Chris Murphy

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 23 Jun
by Chris Murphy 24 Jun '20

24 Jun '20

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-06-23) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 04:07:14 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-06-25/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 04:07:45) * present: cmurf, aday, jens, felipe, langdon, neal, michael, langdon, mclasen, kalev, josef (cmurf, 04:07:46) * Minutes for 9 Jun meeting (cmurf, 04:07:48) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-09-… (cmurf, 04:07:50) * AGREED: No objections - approved (cmurf, 04:07:52) * Minutes for 16 Jun meeting (cmurf, 04:07:54) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-18-… (cmurf, 04:07:56) * These only just made it to the mailing list, so it's deferred until next week. (cmurf, 04:07:58) * Announcements (cmurf, 04:08:00) * None (cmurf, 04:08:02) * Follow-ups and status reports (cmurf, 04:08:04) * Chris: started a draft nano proposal (cmurf, 04:08:06) * Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps (cmurf, 04:08:30) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125 (cmurf, 04:08:32) * Not ready yet - deferred (cmurf, 04:08:34) * Default partitioning: solving the competition for free space (cmurf, 04:08:36) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/152 (cmurf, 04:08:38) * Main questions: are there other ideas/proposals forthcoming? Change (cmurf, 04:08:40) * AGREED: LVM thin partitioning, split partitions for /usr & /var, /etc & /home, not considered to be realistic. The choice is therefore between btrfs, xfs, ext4. (cmurf, 04:08:44) * ACTION: There will be a btrfs proposal before the weekend (cmurf, 04:09:32) * btrfs by default (cmurf, 04:09:34) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/153 (cmurf, 04:09:36) * A rough draft proposal is in the ticket. (cmurf, 04:09:38) Meeting ended at 04:09:53 UTC. Action Items ------------ * There will be a btrfs proposal before the weekend Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * There will be a btrfs proposal before the weekend People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (63) * zodbot (7) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 16 Jun
by Chris Murphy 23 Jun '20

23 Jun '20

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-06-16) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 16:49:08 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-06-18/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall and introductions (cmurf, 16:49:21) * present: cmurf, aday, kalev, bcotton, felipe, otaylor, igor, james, mclasen, neal, robert handlin, tpopela, mcatanzaro, langdon (cmurf, 16:49:22) * Discussion of Facebook's usage of btrfs (cmurf, 16:49:27) * LINK: Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u5it1dXxem-DJ8gN9jn9z9y7g9Uliirac1oUWH3… (cmurf, 16:49:29) * snapshotting and rollbacks could be useful for updates on workstation. (cmurf, 16:49:37) * resource control via cgroupsv2 is valuable - btrfs provides IO isolation (cmurf, 16:49:45) * compression extends lifetime of SSDs (cmurf, 16:50:01) * most issues aren't btrfs itself, it discovers problems resulting from hardware (cmurf, 16:50:11) * near term "do not care" mode to make recovery and degraded operations easier (cmurf, 16:50:29) * 'df' 'du' mostly report correctly but don't know about compression, subvolumes behave mostly like directories (cmurf, 16:50:49) * btrfs works fine with dm-crypt, native encryption is being worked on and live conversion is an expected feature (cmurf, 16:50:59) * desktop experience, it just works, has a number of advantages, solves problems (cmurf, 16:51:25) * Facebook can recommend btrfs by default, will be updating laptops/desktops this fall to use it (cmurf, 16:51:27) Meeting ended at 16:51:28 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (68) * zodbot (7) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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23 Jun, MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 22 Jun '20

22 Jun '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-6-23 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers == Agenda == - Minutes for 9 Jun meeting https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-09-… - Minutes for 16 Jun meeting https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-18-… - Announcements - Follow-ups and status reports - Topics #125 Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125 --- #152 default partitioning: solving the competition for free space https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/152 Main questions: are there other ideas/proposals forthcoming? Change proposal deadline is June 30. --- #153 btrfs by default https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/153 A rough draft proposal is in the ticket. What questions/concerns/commitments does the WG have for the proposal's owners? And does the WG have questions it would like to pose to FESCo? -- Chris Murphy

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16 Jun, MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 12 Jun '20

12 Jun '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-6-16 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers == Agenda == - Minutes for 9 Jun meeting https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-09-… - Topics #54 Default disk partitioning layout for Workstation https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/54 We will have guests from Facebook joining us to discuss their btrfs experiences: desktop, cloud, containers, servers. - Open Floor -- Chris Murphy

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 9 Jun
by Chris Murphy 09 Jun '20

09 Jun '20

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-06-09) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 23:32:51 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-06-09/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 23:33:11) * present: cmurf, neal, aday, kalev, tpopela, mcatanzaro, mclasen, langdon, jens, feborges, james, igor (cmurf, 23:33:13) * regrets: (cmurf, 23:33:15) * missing: owen (showed up later) (cmurf, 23:33:17) * Announcements (cmurf, 23:33:19) * Followups (cmurf, 23:33:25) * automatically adding new packages when upgrading (cmurf, 23:33:29) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/138 (cmurf, 23:33:31) * AGREED: : pursue 'dnf group update' option rather than metapackages, for starters (cmurf, 23:33:57) * ACTION: : Neal will open an RFE against DNF (cmurf, 23:33:59) * Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps (cmurf, 23:34:01) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125 (cmurf, 23:34:03) * AGREED: deferred until Allan has done some work (cmurf, 23:34:05) * Fedora 33 planning session (cmurf, 23:34:07) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/145#comment-655102 (cmurf, 23:34:09) * Planning for next week's meeting (cmurf, 23:34:17) Meeting ended at 23:34:38 UTC. Action Items ------------ * : Neal will open an RFE against DNF Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * : Neal will open an RFE against DNF People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (46) * zodbot (7) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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9 Jun, MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 09 Jun '20

09 Jun '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-6-9 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers == Agenda == - No minutes to approve (IRC) - Announcements - Follow-ups - Topics #145 Fedora 33 planning session https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/145#comment-655102 #138 automatically adding new packages when upgrading https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/138 #125 Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125 - Open Floor -- Chris Murphy

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 08 Jun '20

08 Jun '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2020-06-09 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9652/

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