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F32, Automatic suspend isn't working.
by Chris Murphy 26 Apr '25

26 Apr '25

cross-posting test@ and desktop@ Fedora Workstation 32 (upgraded from f31) Laptop on battery power set aside, 12 hours later it's dead instead of sleeping. On F31 it reliably would sleep after 20 minutes. Sleep still happens when pressing the power button and closing the lid. It seems to be a GNOME automatic suspend timer problem. Using dconf editor, I changed the /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power/sleep-inactive-battery-timeout Custom value 30 and the problem doesn't happen. Is there a way to increase debug messages somehow to find out whether this timeout is being reached? And what process or policy is causing it to be reset? With the available information I can't figure out what's preventing sleep. -- Chris Murphy

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Release criteria proposal: networking requirements
by Adam Williamson 01 Mar '22

01 Mar '22

Hi folks! So at this week's blocker review meeting, the fact that we don't have explicit networking requirements in the release criteria really started to bite us. In the past we have squeezed networking-related issues in under other criteria, but for some issues that's really difficult, notably VPN issues. So, we agreed we should draft some explicit networking criteria. This turns out to be a big area and quite hard to cover (who'd've thought!), but here is at least a first draft for us to start from. My proposal would be to add this to the Basic criteria. I have left out some wikitext stuff from the proposal for clarity; I'd add it back in on actually applying the proposed changes. It's just formatting stuff, nothing that'd change the meaning. Anyone have thoughts, complaints, alternative approaches, supplements? Thanks! === Network requirements === Each of these requirements apply to both installer and installed system environments. For any given installer environment, the 'default network configuration tools' are considered to be those the installer documents as supported ways to configure networking (e.g. for anaconda-based environments, configuration via kernel command line options, a kickstart, or interactively in anaconda itself are included). ==== Basic networking ==== It must be possible to establish both IPv4 and IPv6 network connections using DHCP and static addressing. The default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops must work well enough to allow typical network connection configuration operations without major workarounds. Standard network functions such as address resolution and connections with common protocols such as ping, HTTP and ssh must work as expected. Footnote titled "Supported hardware": Supported network hardware is hardware for which the Fedora kernel includes drivers and, where necessary, for which a firmware package is available. If support for a commonly-used piece or type of network hardware that would usually be present is omitted, that may constitute a violation of this criterion, after consideration of the [[Blocker_Bug_FAQ|hardware-dependent- issues|normal factors for hardware-dependent issues]]. Similarly, violations of this criteria that are hardware or configuration dependent are, as usual, subject to consideration of those factors when determining whether they are release-blocking ==== VPN connections ==== Using the default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops, it must be possible to establish a working connection to common OpenVPN, openconnect-supported and vpnc-supported VNC servers with typical configurations. Footnote title "Supported servers and configurations": As there are many different VPN server applications and configurations, blocker reviewers must use their best judgment in determining whether violations of this criterion are likely to be encountered commonly enough to block a release, and if so, at which milestone. As a general principle, the more people are likely to use affected servers and the less complicated the configuration required to hit the bug, the more likely it is to be a blocker. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 28 Sep '20

28 Sep '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2020-09-29 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9652/

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2020-09-29 MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 28 Sep '20

28 Sep '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-09-29 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers Approval of 22 Sep minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-09-24-… Announcements: Follow-ups & Status reports: Topics: Remove nautilus-sendto from default install #185 https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/185 Enable low-memory-monitor.service #190 https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/190 Enable power-profiles-daemon by default #191 https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/190 Make use of malcontent in the default install? #186 https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/186 Make a small core of packages non-removable with DNF #165 https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/165 GNOME Software is recommending proprietary software #111 https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/111 Open Floor: -- Chris Murphy

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2020-09-23
by Chris Murphy 23 Sep '20

23 Sep '20

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-09-22) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 01:42:18 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-09-24/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 01:42:42) * present: cmurf, mcatanzaro, mclasen, aday, jens, kalev, langdon, tpopela, neal (cmurf, 01:42:44) * regrets wg members: (cmurf, 01:42:46) * present guests: james, felipe (cmurf, 01:42:48) * Approve 15 Sep minutes (cmurf, 01:42:50) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-09-16-… (cmurf, 01:42:52) * AGREED: Approved - no objections (cmurf, 01:42:54) * Announcements (cmurf, 01:42:56) * Langdon: devconf.us is happening 24-25 September; it's free, come! (cmurf, 01:43:02) * LINK: https://www.devconf.info/us/ (cmurf, 01:43:04) * Follow-ups & Status reports (cmurf, 01:43:06) * gnome-initial-setup Google online account issue is now fixed (cmurf, 01:43:08) * Specify "basic" functionality for default Workstation applications (cmurf, 01:43:10) * https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/189 (cmurf, 01:43:12) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1880752 (cmurf, 01:43:16) * LINK: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/sushi/-/issues/44 (cmurf, 01:43:18) * AGREED: The Sushi issue doesn't need to be a blocker (cmurf, 01:43:28) * ACTION: Chris to forward the decision to QA (cmurf, 01:43:30) * Firefox 78 in Fedora 33 beta? (cmurf, 01:43:40) * Tomáš filed a bug (cmurf, 01:43:48) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1881495 (cmurf, 01:43:50) * ABRT is broken (cmurf, 01:43:52) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/156#comment-687524 (cmurf, 01:43:54) * GNOME Software is recommending proprietary software (cmurf, 01:44:14) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/111 (cmurf, 01:44:16) * AGREED: Deferred. (cmurf, 01:44:18) * Open Floor (cmurf, 01:44:20) Meeting ended at 01:45:17 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Chris to forward the decision to QA Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Chris to forward the decision to QA People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (58) * zodbot (7) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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2020-09-22 MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 22 Sep '20

22 Sep '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-09-22 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers Approval of 15 Sep minutes https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-09-16-… Announcements Follow-ups & Status reports Topics Give ABRT some https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/130 GNOME Software is recommending proprietary software https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/111 Open Floor -- Chris Murphy

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 21 Sep '20

21 Sep '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2020-09-22 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9652/

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Re: Release criteria proposal: first boot experience
by Adam Williamson 16 Sep '20

16 Sep '20

On Wed, 2020-09-16 at 19:17 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:55 pm, majid hussain <mhussaincov93(a)gmx.com> > wrote: > > hi, > > > > i'm no dev but > > > > i'm blind would functional include being accessible to orca the > > screen reader? > > > > after all to a blind person like me having an accessible setup > > experience is a requirement? > > > > or after I install the system, I would be in the dark? > > > > Majid > > > I think it makes sense to have a criterion to ensure, at minimum, that > the screen reader is working throughout the initial setup process, yes. > orca was completely broken in F33 until last week [1] and we only > noticed by coincidence, since it doesn't get tested much. > > Unfortunately right now the login screen is not accessible (regression, > [2]). gnome-initial-setup is pretty hard to use with just a screen > reader. And anaconda doesn't seem to be accessible at all (at least, I > don't know how to get orca to read anything in anaconda). So things > would probably need to first be in better shape before we can actually > start enforcing a blocker criterion to ensure it stays working.... Right, I pretty much agree with Michael. The way I'd want it to work in the criteria, ideally, is we'd say something like "all desktop requirements must be met for blind users with assistive technology, e.g. screen reading" - i.e. rather than this being a criterion exactly, we'd expect sufficient a11y support to be in place that *all* the desktop criteria would be met for blind users. But as Michael says, it sounds like we haven't really got things in good enough shape yet that we'd be able to enforce such a requirement right now, so that should be fixed first. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2020-09-15
by Chris Murphy 15 Sep '20

15 Sep '20

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-09-15) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 03:03:30 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-09-16/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 03:04:47) * present wg members: cmurf, aday, neal, tpopela, mclasen, mcatanzaro, kalev, owen, langdon, petersen (cmurf, 03:04:49) * regrets wg members: (cmurf, 03:04:51) * present guests: feborges, james, (cmurf, 03:04:53) * Approve 8 Sep minutes (cmurf, 03:04:55) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-09-10-… (cmurf, 03:04:57) * AGREED: Approved - no objections (cmurf, 03:04:59) * Announcements (cmurf, 03:05:01) * Kalev: GNOME 3.38.0 is in Bohdi. If the F33 release slips by a week, that will end up in the F33 beta - which is great. (cmurf, 03:05:03) * Michael: systemd-resolved is experiencing issues - 3 blockers (cmurf, 03:05:09) * Follow-ups & Status reports (cmurf, 03:05:11) * Allan: the new 3rd party repos policy has been merged - removes the policy blocker from #108 (cmurf, 03:05:13) * Flatpak preferred over native (rpm) software in GNOME Software (cmurf, 03:05:15) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/151 (cmurf, 03:05:17) * Give ABRT some lurve (cmurf, 03:06:36) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/130 (cmurf, 03:06:38) * AGREED: Deferred (cmurf, 03:06:40) * GNOME Software is recommending proprietary software (cmurf, 03:06:42) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/111 (cmurf, 03:06:44) * AGREED: Deferred (cmurf, 03:06:46) * Open Floor (cmurf, 03:06:48) * AGREED: Deferred (cmurf, 03:06:50) Meeting ended at 03:06:55 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (61) * zodbot (7) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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2020-09-15 MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 14 Sep '20

14 Sep '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-09-15 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers == Agenda == Approval of 8 Sep minutes https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-09-10-… Announcements Follow-ups & Status reports Topics Flatpak preferred over native (rpm) software in GNOME Software https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/151 Give ABRT some ❤ https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/130 GNOME Software is recommending proprietary software https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/111 Open Floor -- Chris Murphy

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