Re: We are not a laptop. Why are we a laptop? Can we not be a laptop?
by Hans de Goede
Hi,
On 3/18/21 7:54 AM, Beautex wrote:
> Long story short: We have one of those little $100 Chinese mini PCs running 18.04 LTS. ("Wintel Pro" / "Wintel Box") It thinks it has a battery, possibly because it thinks it is a laptop. The "battery" level notifications - that I have tried a million ways to kill - are driving me nuts because I'm trying to use this machine to run a looping slideshow while the workplace is open.
>
> Long story short: We have one of those little $100 Chinese mini PCs running 18.04 LTS. ("Wintel Pro" / "Wintel Box") It thinks it has a battery, possibly because it thinks it is a laptop. The "battery" level notifications - that I have tried a million ways to kill - are driving me nuts because I'm trying to use this machine to run a looping slideshow while the workplace is open.
>
> Thought I might have had this fixed but HAHAHA NOPE
>
> Related question: Why does Ubuntu power management set a battery as the default power supply on a desktop machine?
>
> This is where someone asked "What is the output of laptop-detect -v?"
>
> It is: We're a laptop (non device ACPI batteries found)
>
> But we are emphatically not a laptop, and we don't want to be a laptop. How can we not be a laptop?
> https://www.miscof.com/best-laptops-for-medical-schools-in-2020-top-reviews/
>
> CPU is Intel Atom x5-Z8350. Do let me know if additional information is required. The fault may have nothing to do with Ubuntu but I live in hope Ubuntu might have the tools to fix it.
Notice that you send this email to a Fedora mailinglist and Fedora is a different Linux
distribution.
With that said, this is a known issue with some of these Intel Atom x5-Z83xx based boxes,
they use an AXP288 PMIC and often the BIOS does not turn off the fuel-gauge (battery
monitoring) part of this chip.
The driver for the AXP288 fuel-gauge contains a list of devices like this:
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/d...
So the fix will be to add your device to this list.
Please as a regular user in a terninal run:
grep . /sys/class/dmi/id/* 2> /dev/null
On the device and then copy and paste the output into your next email / reply.
That will give me the info which I need to add your device to the no-fuel-gauge list.
Regards,
Hans
3 years, 1 month
Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-03-16
by Chris Murphy
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#fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-03-16)
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Meeting started by cmurf at 04:18:53 UTC. The full logs are available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-03-17/workstation...
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Meeting summary
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* Rollcall (cmurf, 04:19:16)
* present: Allan, Chris, Tomas, Michael, Jens, Neal, Owen, Langdon
(cmurf, 04:19:18)
* regrets: Matthias (cmurf, 04:19:21)
* present guests: (cmurf, 04:19:23)
* Approval of Mar 9 minutes (cmurf, 04:19:25)
* LINK:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2021-03-1...
(cmurf, 04:19:27)
* AGREED: no objections (cmurf, 04:19:29)
* Announcements, follow-ups, status reports (cmurf, 04:19:30)
* daylight savings time in North America started (cmurf, 04:19:33)
* Reconsider updates policy (cmurf, 04:19:35)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/107 (cmurf,
04:19:37)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/107#comment-720663
(cmurf, 04:19:41)
* ACTION: Neal to poke Milan in the ticket (cmurf, 04:19:42)
* Improve Fedora interoperability between Ethernet and WiFi (cmurf,
04:19:45)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/198 (cmurf,
04:19:47)
* LINK:
https://fedoramagazine.org/bond-wifi-and-ethernet-for-easier-networking-m...
(cmurf, 04:19:50)
* ACTION: Neal to ask the NM maintainer to comment on the ticket on
how to expose it and maybe invite them to this meeting (cmurf,
04:19:55)
* Can we make vaapi work out of the box? (cmurf, 04:19:57)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/209 (cmurf,
04:19:58)
* ACTION: Michael to check with gstreamer and gstreamer-vaapi people,
and requesting frantisekz to package gstreamer-vaapi. (cmurf,
04:20:05)
* OpenFloor (cmurf, 04:20:07)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-03-17_Fedora_34_GNOME_40?rd=...
(cmurf, 04:20:10)
* Fedora Magazine article, GNOME 40 (cmurf, 04:20:13)
* LINK:
https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-34-feature-focus-updated-activities-ove...
(cmurf, 04:20:14)
* Multi-monitor discussions (cmurf, 04:20:17)
* LINK:
https://blogs.gnome.org/shell-dev/2021/02/23/gnome-shell-40-and-multi-mon...
(cmurf, 04:20:19)
Meeting ended at 04:22:03 UTC.
Action Items
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* Neal to poke Milan in the ticket
* Neal to ask the NM maintainer to comment on the ticket on how to
expose it and maybe invite them to this meeting
* Michael to check with gstreamer and gstreamer-vaapi people, and
requesting frantisekz to package gstreamer-vaapi.
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* Neal to poke Milan in the ticket
* Neal to ask the NM maintainer to comment on the ticket on how to
expose it and maybe invite them to this meeting
* Michael to check with gstreamer and gstreamer-vaapi people, and
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3 years, 1 month
Thoughts on new shell after ~ two months
by Matthew Miller
I've been using GNOME 40, first with the Copr and then F34 prerelease, since
mid-January. I posted some first-week responses, and I thought it might be
helpful to follow up with some thoughts from more extended use.
Overall, I'm finding the change to be fine. There's nothing that, like,
upsets me.
The two systems I'm using this on are:
* desktop at my treadmill desk with one large monitor; trackpoint keyboard
with mouse I normally use only for gaming
* laptop at my regular desk, with secondary monitor
On the single-monitor system, I'm adapting pretty well to the new workspace
layout, but I do still find it more awkward than the previous setup.
I generally put personal mail, chat, etc., on workspace one, RH stuff on
workspace two, games/steam on workspace three, and then use workspace 4 for
a whatever I'm currently doing if it needs its own space. I previously used
the Always Zoom Workspaces extension, and while it was a little bit of a
pain to get this set up after a reboot, not really a big deal. I'm
definitely finding relaunching and rearranging things to be a more-time
consuming task now. I thought maybe I could drag icons from the App Drawer
view to the workspace I want them to run on, speeding things up a little
bit, but it turns out not.
I know Wayland doesn't have the support for this right now, but it seems
like a nice feature would be a way to pin applications (or even specific
windows of a given application) to a certain workspace.
Anyway, also, I notice that I'm generally always reaching for the mouse
rather than using the trackpoint (which I normally prefer while
treadmilling), because of the scroll wheel to switch workspaces. I set up
hot keys for Super-1,2,3,4 for the first four workspaces, but
1) I'm not finding I'm training myself to use them, and
2) Super-4, for some reason, lauches the fourth item on the dash rather than
switching the workspace. I can't find this defined anywhere.
I also notice that I _never_ use the hot corner. It's just too far away from
everything. I always use the overview key, even when using the mouse
otherwise. I think I'd like a hot bottom edge instead.
Meanwhile, on the laptop + external monitor, without really planning to,
I've just given up on using more than one workspace. I can't find an
arragement where it works in a way that the logic clicks. I basically now
use the two monitors as separate workspaces.
I still think the borders in the overview take too much of the space. I'd
rather more room to see my windows clearly. On a perhaps related note, I'm
also really glad to see Native Window Placement updated for GNOME 40,
because while the default is fine for one or two windows I always end up
confused if I have more than that open in a workspace, and Native Window
Placement fixes that for me.
Speaking of extensions: Hide Top Bar, Caffeine, and Impatience all seem to
work. None of which are must-haves, just things I like.
Also, I see that the behavior I reported when you have a single window
on workspace 2 and drag it to workspace 3 is improved. It's still a little
confusing if you then fail to immediately run a new app, but at least it's
more clear what's happening.
Overall, I'm a little less worried about this than I was, but I think
there's definitely some work to be done still especially around workspaces
and multiple monitors.
--
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
3 years, 1 month
how can I temporarily disable the overview/super key?
by Matthew Miller
Here's my terrible problem: when playing games, the Super ("Windows") key is
close enough to left-alt that I sometimes hit it. This causes the overview
to come up and the window to be shrunken. This is pretty disruptive. I'd
like to script something to temporarily disable this when running specific
full-screen games.
But I discovered something weird. I went to Settings and found the "Show the
activities overview" setting. This isn't actually set to just Super after
all... it's set to Super+S. I can change it to other values (like Print, to
put it on the other side of the keyboard just to test), but _it doesn't
actually stop Super from also working_.
I assume something is special-cased here so the modifier key alone can be
used. (Like, I can't set ctrl, alt, or shift to have a direct action.) Is
there a secret other setting somewhere for this?
--
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader
3 years, 1 month
Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-03-09
by Chris Murphy
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#fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-03-09)
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Meeting started by cmurf at 04:04:05 UTC. The full logs are available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-03-10/workstation...
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Meeting summary
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* Rollcall (cmurf, 04:04:19)
* present: Allan, Chris, Tomas,Kalev Mattias, Michael, Jens --
Langdon, , Neal, Owen (cmurf, 04:04:22)
* regrets: (cmurf, 04:04:24)
* present guests: (cmurf, 04:04:26)
* Approval of Mar 2 minutes (cmurf, 04:04:28)
* LINK:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-03-03/workstation...
(cmurf, 04:04:30)
* AGREED: no objections (cmurf, 04:04:32)
* Announcements, follow-ups, status reports (cmurf, 04:04:34)
* daylight savings time in North America starts next week, new time
1330 UTC (cmurf, 04:04:36)
* kalev: Fedora 34 beta go/no go meeting, QA needs to make a RC
compose, heads up on the blockers list and get them resolved soon;
do we want to do a GNOME 40 test week? Or test day? (cmurf,
04:04:38)
* LINK:
https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/34/beta/buglist
(cmurf, 04:04:40)
* AGREED: sounds like a good idea to have a test day or week, if there
are enough participants (cmurf, 04:04:42)
* ACTION: Kalev to coordinate with QA on test day(s) (cmurf,
04:04:50)
* Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps (cmurf, 04:04:52)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125 (cmurf,
04:04:54)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Guidelines/Applications_and_La...
(cmurf, 04:05:22)
* ACTION: Allan will incorporate suggestions and figure out where to
put the guidelines (cmurf, 04:05:38)
* OpenFloor (cmurf, 04:05:42)
* Discussion on where to put Workstation related docs (cmurf,
04:05:44)
* Improve Fedora interoperability between Ethernet and WiFi (cmurf,
04:05:50)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/198 (cmurf,
04:05:52)
* AGREED: defer (cmurf, 04:05:54)
* Can we make vaapi work out of the box? (cmurf, 04:05:56)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/209 (cmurf,
04:05:58)
* AGREED: defer (cmurf, 04:06:00)
Meeting ended at 04:06:06 UTC.
Action Items
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* Kalev to coordinate with QA on test day(s)
* Allan will incorporate suggestions and figure out where to put the
guidelines
Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* Kalev to coordinate with QA on test day(s)
* Allan will incorporate suggestions and figure out where to put the
guidelines
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