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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2022-11-01
by Chris Murphy 26 Apr '25

26 Apr '25

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2022-11-01) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 02:31:10 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-11-02/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Allan, Kalev, Tomas, Michael, Chris, Jens, Neal (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * Guests:Luna Jernberg(bittin) (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * Regrets: Matthias (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * Missing: Owen (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * Secretary: Kalev (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * F37 release status (brainycmurf, 02:31:26) * Consider limiting journal size (brainycmurf, 02:31:36) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/213 (brainycmurf, 02:31:38) * Workstation QA arrangements (brainycmurf, 02:31:53) * GNOME Software format preference (brainycmurf, 02:32:25) * Working group chair for F38 (brainycmurf, 02:32:29) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/338 (brainycmurf, 02:32:31) * Announcements, Status Updates (brainycmurf, 02:32:33) * F37 Online RC Hack Pre Release Party Friday-Sunday 4-6th November 2022 :: https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-37-release-party/registration (brainycmurf, 02:32:35) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux_37_Release_Party_Schedule (brainycmurf, 02:32:40) * The minutes from last week have been posted. (brainycmurf, 02:32:45) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-10-25/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 02:32:47) Meeting ended at 02:34:42 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (41) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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F32, Automatic suspend isn't working.
by Chris Murphy 26 Apr '25

26 Apr '25

cross-posting test@ and desktop@ Fedora Workstation 32 (upgraded from f31) Laptop on battery power set aside, 12 hours later it's dead instead of sleeping. On F31 it reliably would sleep after 20 minutes. Sleep still happens when pressing the power button and closing the lid. It seems to be a GNOME automatic suspend timer problem. Using dconf editor, I changed the /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power/sleep-inactive-battery-timeout Custom value 30 and the problem doesn't happen. Is there a way to increase debug messages somehow to find out whether this timeout is being reached? And what process or policy is causing it to be reset? With the available information I can't figure out what's preventing sleep. -- Chris Murphy

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Plan / proposal: enable openQA update testing and potentially gating on Rawhide updates
by Adam Williamson 09 Jun '23

09 Jun '23

Hi folks! We've had openQA testing of updates for stable and branched releases, and gating based on those tests, enabled for a while now. I believe this is going quite well, and I think we addressed the issues reported when we first enabled gating - Bodhi's gating status updates work more smoothly now, and openQA respects Bodhi's "re-run tests" button so failed tests can be re-triggered. A few weeks ago, I enabled testing of Rawhide updates in the openQA lab/stg instance. This was to see how smoothly the tests run, how often we run into unexpected failures or problems, and whether the hardware resources we have are sufficient for the extra load. So far this has been going more smoothly than I anticipated, if anything. The workers seem to keep up with the test load, even though one out of three worker systems for the stg instance is currently out of commission (we're using it to investigate a bug). We do get occasional failures which seem to be related to Rawhide kernel slowness (e.g. operations timing out that usually don't otherwise time out), but on the whole, the level of false failures is (I would say) acceptably low, enough that my current regime of checking the test results daily and restarting failed ones that don't seem to indicate a real bug should be sufficient. So, I'd like to propose that we enable Rawhide update testing on the production openQA instance also. This would cause results to appear on the Automated Tests tab in Bodhi, but they would be only informational (and unless the update was gated by a CI test, or somehow otherwise configured not to be pushed automatically, updates would continue to be pushed 'stable' almost immediately on creation, regardless of the openQA results). More significantly, I'd also propose that we turn on gating on openQA results for Rawhide updates. This would mean Rawhide updates would be held from going 'stable' (and included in the next compose) until the gating openQA tests had run and passed. We may want to do this a bit after turning on the tests; perhaps Fedora 37 branch point would be a natural time to do it. Currently this would usually mean a wait from update submission to 'stable push' (which really means that the build goes into the buildroot, and will go into the next Rawhide compose when it happens) of somewhere between 45 minutes and a couple of hours. It would also mean that if Rawhide updates for inter-dependent packages are not correctly grouped, the dependent update(s) will fail testing and be gated until the update they depend on has passed testing and been pushed. The tests for the dependent update(s) would then need to be re- run, either by someone hitting the button in Bodhi or an openQA admin noticing and restarting them, before the dependent update(s) could be pushed. In the worst case, if updated packages A and B both need the other to work correctly but the updates are submitted separately, both updates may fail tests and be blocked. This could only be resolved by waiving the failures, or replacing the separate updates with an update containing both packages. All of those considerations are already true for stable and branched releases, but people are probably more used to grouping updates for stable and branched than doing it for Rawhide, and the typical flow of going from a build to an update provides more opportunity to create grouped updates for branched/stable. For Rawhide the easiest way to do it if you need to do it is to do the builds in a side tag and use Bodhi's ability to create updates from a side tag. As with branched/stable, only critical path updates would have the tests run and be gated on the results. Non-critpath updates would be unaffected. (There's a small allowlist of non-critpath packages for which the tests are also run, but they are not currently gated on the results). I think doing this could really help us keep Rawhide solid and avoid introducing major compose-breaking bugs, at minimal cost. But it's a significant change and I wanted to see what folks think. In particular, if you find the existing gating of updates for stable/branched releases to cause problems in any way, I'd love to hear about it. Thanks folks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net

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Today's Workstation WG meeting is cancelled
by Allan Day 29 Nov '22

29 Nov '22

Hi all, The Workstation WG was scheduled to have a meeting today, 29 November. However, we have a few people out, and not much on the agenda, so I think we should skip this one. The next meeting should be 6 December. Allan

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 28 Nov '22

28 Nov '22

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2022-11-29 from 10:00:00 to 11:00:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10142/

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2022-11-22
by Chris Murphy 22 Nov '22

22 Nov '22

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2022-11-22) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 04:31:57 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-11-23/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Michael, Allan, Jens, Matthias, Owen, Tomas, Nate (late), Neal (brainycmurf, 04:32:18) * Guests: Zac (brainycmurf, 04:32:18) * Regrets: Chris, Kalev (brainycmurf, 04:32:18) * Missing: (brainycmurf, 04:32:18) * Secretary: Tomáš (brainycmurf, 04:32:18) * Cancel the last two meetings in the year 2022 (brainycmurf, 04:32:18) * AGREED: (brainycmurf, 04:32:20) * F38 change proposals (brainycmurf, 04:32:22) * Deadline is 2022-12-27 (brainycmurf, 04:32:24) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UnfilteredFlathub (brainycmurf, 04:32:40) * ACTION: Check next week that the wiki pages were created. (brainycmurf, 04:32:45) * Should toolbox images block the release? (brainycmurf, 04:32:47) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/337 (brainycmurf, 04:32:49) * ACTION: Jens to talk to releng to see what their opinion is and then to Fedora QA whether they could do some sanity checking (brainycmurf, 04:32:56) * Workstation user docs (brainycmurf, 04:32:59) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/pull-request/343 (brainycmurf, 04:33:01) * ACTION: Allan to proceed with the PR and will coordinate with the docs team. (brainycmurf, 04:33:09) * Announcements, Status Updates (brainycmurf, 04:33:11) * The minutes from last week have been posted. (brainycmurf, 04:33:13) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-11-15/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 04:33:15) Meeting ended at 04:33:35 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Check next week that the wiki pages were created. * Jens to talk to releng to see what their opinion is and then to Fedora QA whether they could do some sanity checking * Allan to proceed with the PR and will coordinate with the docs team. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * Allan * Allan to proceed with the PR and will coordinate with the docs team. * **UNASSIGNED** * Check next week that the wiki pages were created. * Jens to talk to releng to see what their opinion is and then to Fedora QA whether they could do some sanity checking People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (34) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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Workstation WG meeting, 22 November (secretary: Tomáš)
by Allan Day 21 Nov '22

21 Nov '22

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday 22 November, at 10:00 EDT. Join links: - https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ - https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers See below for the agenda. Allan -- Agenda #topic F38 change proposals #info Deadline is 2022-12-27 * Automatically install the Openh264 codecs and remove Anaconda (Neal) - #84 and #242 * Reduce the service timeout - #164 (Michael) * Reduce the journal size - #213 (Michael) * Unfiltered Flathub - #300 (Matthias) #topic Should toolbox images block the release? #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/337 #topic Workstaton user docs #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/pull-request/343 #topic Announcements, Status Updates #info The minutes from last week have been posted. #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-11-15/workstation.2…

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 21 Nov '22

21 Nov '22

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2022-11-22 from 10:00:00 to 11:00:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10142/

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2022-11-15
by Chris Murphy 15 Nov '22

15 Nov '22

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2022-11-15) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 22:08:25 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-11-15/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Michael, Allan, Kalev, Jens, Chris, Owen, Neal (brainycmurf, 22:08:38) * Guests: Luna(bittin) , Jimmac (brainycmurf, 22:08:38) * Regrets: (brainycmurf, 22:08:38) * Missing: (brainycmurf, 22:08:38) * Secretary: Owen (brainycmurf, 22:08:38) * F37 release status (brainycmurf, 22:08:39) * Software changelogs should only use supported Markdown (brainycmurf, 22:08:46) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/326 (brainycmurf, 22:08:48) * ACTION: : Michael to file an Infra ticket (brainycmurf, 22:08:54) * When skipping the option to enable 3rd repositories in the Fedora post-installation experience, dl.flathub.org doesn't appear in GNOME Software repo list, but all of the other 3rd repos do (brainycmurf, 22:08:56) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/271 (brainycmurf, 22:08:59) * ACTION: Owen will follow up on the ticket to describe what is going on (brainycmurf, 22:09:03) * Improve driver installation experience (brainycmurf, 22:09:05) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/238 (brainycmurf, 22:09:07) * ACTION: Owen to ask for who could come and talk about future Nouveau/driver directions (brainycmurf, 22:09:17) * Make VAAPI work out of the box (brainycmurf, 22:09:25) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/209 (brainycmurf, 22:09:27) * ACTION: Neal needs to follow-up on the package review for intel-media-driver-free (brainycmurf, 22:09:31) * Automatically install the OpenH264 codecs (brainycmurf, 22:09:35) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84 (brainycmurf, 22:09:37) * Announcements, Status Updates (brainycmurf, 22:09:42) * The minutes from last week have been posted. (brainycmurf, 22:09:56) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-11-09/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 22:09:58) Meeting ended at 22:10:01 UTC. Action Items ------------ * : Michael to file an Infra ticket * Owen will follow up on the ticket to describe what is going on * Owen to ask for who could come and talk about future Nouveau/driver directions * Neal needs to follow-up on the package review for intel-media-driver-free Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * : Michael to file an Infra ticket * Owen will follow up on the ticket to describe what is going on * Owen to ask for who could come and talk about future Nouveau/driver directions * Neal needs to follow-up on the package review for intel-media-driver-free People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (43) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 15 Nov '22

15 Nov '22

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2022-11-15 from 10:00:00 to 11:00:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10142/

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