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Re: Small rant: installer environment size
by Adam Williamson 08 Dec '22

08 Dec '22

On Thu, 2022-12-08 at 08:26 -0500, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > > > The only ideas I have seen which 'work'* is to ship a minimal set of > drivers for some 'chosen' hardware and then you have a bloated kitchen-sink > iso which has all the drivers in it. The chosen hardware could be a > 'defined' virtual environment which needs a minimal set of firmware, > languages, etc. Everything else can be done in the install for getting > languages, extra firmware, etc. The kitchen-sink.iso is going to be one > which we know is going to be large. > > Now I have doubled the QA, releng, and product work.. I would say we would > focus most of the work on the mini-installer, but we all know that all the > work will be in the kitchen-sink one. Well, if the two images are just "with firmware" and "without firmware" I suppose in a way the testing load shouldn't be too awful, because we can be pretty confident of the possible behaviours - nothing except the kernel should do anything with kernel firmware files, after all, so you're kinda limited to "it works fine", "some hardware doesn't work because the firmware isn't there", and the occasional "kernel blew up because firmware was missing which it really shouldn't do", which is bad but at least easy to spot and workaround ("you gotta boot with the firmware, sorry"). We could probably rely mostly on automated testing to confirm that both images at least work properly in expected cases. Also it's general not too onerous for us to test "some random alternate path through the installer" because we have to run several install tests on bare metal anyway so we can just kinda add it to the 'matrix' there - "OK, for the firmware RAID install test I'll try booting the no-firmware route", that knocks out two tests in one. (Of course you're assuming that firmware RAID handling isn't somehow broken when booting with the firmware, but that seems sufficiently unlikely not to worry about :>) If we want to get fancy, I suppose we could ship a single ISO, but with two filesystem images - one the main installer environment, one containing /lib/firmware - and just have a boot arg that (tells dracut to) mounts the firmware one, and a boot menu option to *not* do it (not pass the boot arg), which saves memory as long as the system doesn't need the firmwares. But then of course someone will say "hey, why don't we build a second ISO without the firmware image included at all, so we have a small ISO for people who know they don't need it?" and you're back at option 1. We also I guess have to think about how things work for things like PXE installs, and maybe update the documentation there... -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net

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Workstation WG Meeting, December 14 (secretary: Jens)
by Michael Catanzaro 08 Dec '22

08 Dec '22

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday, December 13, at 10:00 AM EST (15:00 UTC). Join links: - https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ - https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers Agenda: #topic Drop flathub filtering #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/300 #topic Improve the quality of the desktop wallpapers & ensure they're maintained #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/293 #topic Ship preininstalled apps as Flatpaks #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/269 #topic Offline automated workstation installation not possible #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/85 #topic Announcements, Status Updates #info The minutes from last week have been posted. #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-12-07/workstation.2…

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2022-12-06
by Chris Murphy 07 Dec '22

07 Dec '22

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2022-12-06) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 00:46:42 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-12-07/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Chris, Michael, Owen, Allan, Tomáš, Neal (brainycmurf, 00:46:53) * Guests: Zac (brainycmurf, 00:46:53) * Regrets: Jens, Kalev, Matthias (brainycmurf, 00:46:53) * Secretary: Chris (brainycmurf, 00:46:53) * Red Hat Bugzilla: GNOME packages are in bad shape (brainycmurf, 00:46:53) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/131 (brainycmurf, 00:46:54) * default monospace font is extremely small (brainycmurf, 00:46:59) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/134 (brainycmurf, 00:47:01) * upstream issue (brainycmurf, 00:47:17) * LINK: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gsettings-desktop-schemas/-/issues/26 (brainycmurf, 00:47:19) * AGREED: focus on fractional scaling as way forward (brainycmurf, 00:47:25) * GNOME Software is recommending proprietary software (brainycmurf, 00:47:27) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/203 (brainycmurf, 00:47:29) * Improve the quality of the desktop wallpapers & ensure they're maintained (brainycmurf, 00:47:43) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/293 (brainycmurf, 00:47:45) * Announcements, Status Updates (brainycmurf, 00:47:50) * The minutes from last week have been posted. (brainycmurf, 00:47:52) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-11-23/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 00:47:54) Meeting ended at 01:35:24 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (39) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 05 Dec '22

05 Dec '22

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2022-12-06 from 10:00:00 to 11:00:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10142/

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Workstation WG Meeting, December 6 (secretary: Jens)
by Michael Catanzaro 03 Dec '22

03 Dec '22

Hi, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday, December 6, at 10:00 AM EST (15:00 UTC). Join links: - https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ - https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers Agenda: #topic Red Hat Bugzilla: GNOME packages are in bad shape #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/131 #topic default monospace font is extremely small #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/134 #topic GNOME Software is recommending proprietary software #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/203 #topic Improve the quality of the desktop wallpapers & ensure they're maintained #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/293 #topic Announcements, Status Updates #info The minutes from last week have been posted. #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-11-23/workstation.2…

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