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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2022-11-01
by Chris Murphy 26 Apr '25

26 Apr '25

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2022-11-01) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 02:31:10 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-11-02/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Allan, Kalev, Tomas, Michael, Chris, Jens, Neal (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * Guests:Luna Jernberg(bittin) (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * Regrets: Matthias (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * Missing: Owen (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * Secretary: Kalev (brainycmurf, 02:31:25) * F37 release status (brainycmurf, 02:31:26) * Consider limiting journal size (brainycmurf, 02:31:36) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/213 (brainycmurf, 02:31:38) * Workstation QA arrangements (brainycmurf, 02:31:53) * GNOME Software format preference (brainycmurf, 02:32:25) * Working group chair for F38 (brainycmurf, 02:32:29) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/338 (brainycmurf, 02:32:31) * Announcements, Status Updates (brainycmurf, 02:32:33) * F37 Online RC Hack Pre Release Party Friday-Sunday 4-6th November 2022 :: https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-37-release-party/registration (brainycmurf, 02:32:35) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux_37_Release_Party_Schedule (brainycmurf, 02:32:40) * The minutes from last week have been posted. (brainycmurf, 02:32:45) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-10-25/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 02:32:47) Meeting ended at 02:34:42 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (41) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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F32, Automatic suspend isn't working.
by Chris Murphy 26 Apr '25

26 Apr '25

cross-posting test@ and desktop@ Fedora Workstation 32 (upgraded from f31) Laptop on battery power set aside, 12 hours later it's dead instead of sleeping. On F31 it reliably would sleep after 20 minutes. Sleep still happens when pressing the power button and closing the lid. It seems to be a GNOME automatic suspend timer problem. Using dconf editor, I changed the /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power/sleep-inactive-battery-timeout Custom value 30 and the problem doesn't happen. Is there a way to increase debug messages somehow to find out whether this timeout is being reached? And what process or policy is causing it to be reset? With the available information I can't figure out what's preventing sleep. -- Chris Murphy

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Plan / proposal: enable openQA update testing and potentially gating on Rawhide updates
by Adam Williamson 10 Jun '23

10 Jun '23

Hi folks! We've had openQA testing of updates for stable and branched releases, and gating based on those tests, enabled for a while now. I believe this is going quite well, and I think we addressed the issues reported when we first enabled gating - Bodhi's gating status updates work more smoothly now, and openQA respects Bodhi's "re-run tests" button so failed tests can be re-triggered. A few weeks ago, I enabled testing of Rawhide updates in the openQA lab/stg instance. This was to see how smoothly the tests run, how often we run into unexpected failures or problems, and whether the hardware resources we have are sufficient for the extra load. So far this has been going more smoothly than I anticipated, if anything. The workers seem to keep up with the test load, even though one out of three worker systems for the stg instance is currently out of commission (we're using it to investigate a bug). We do get occasional failures which seem to be related to Rawhide kernel slowness (e.g. operations timing out that usually don't otherwise time out), but on the whole, the level of false failures is (I would say) acceptably low, enough that my current regime of checking the test results daily and restarting failed ones that don't seem to indicate a real bug should be sufficient. So, I'd like to propose that we enable Rawhide update testing on the production openQA instance also. This would cause results to appear on the Automated Tests tab in Bodhi, but they would be only informational (and unless the update was gated by a CI test, or somehow otherwise configured not to be pushed automatically, updates would continue to be pushed 'stable' almost immediately on creation, regardless of the openQA results). More significantly, I'd also propose that we turn on gating on openQA results for Rawhide updates. This would mean Rawhide updates would be held from going 'stable' (and included in the next compose) until the gating openQA tests had run and passed. We may want to do this a bit after turning on the tests; perhaps Fedora 37 branch point would be a natural time to do it. Currently this would usually mean a wait from update submission to 'stable push' (which really means that the build goes into the buildroot, and will go into the next Rawhide compose when it happens) of somewhere between 45 minutes and a couple of hours. It would also mean that if Rawhide updates for inter-dependent packages are not correctly grouped, the dependent update(s) will fail testing and be gated until the update they depend on has passed testing and been pushed. The tests for the dependent update(s) would then need to be re- run, either by someone hitting the button in Bodhi or an openQA admin noticing and restarting them, before the dependent update(s) could be pushed. In the worst case, if updated packages A and B both need the other to work correctly but the updates are submitted separately, both updates may fail tests and be blocked. This could only be resolved by waiving the failures, or replacing the separate updates with an update containing both packages. All of those considerations are already true for stable and branched releases, but people are probably more used to grouping updates for stable and branched than doing it for Rawhide, and the typical flow of going from a build to an update provides more opportunity to create grouped updates for branched/stable. For Rawhide the easiest way to do it if you need to do it is to do the builds in a side tag and use Bodhi's ability to create updates from a side tag. As with branched/stable, only critical path updates would have the tests run and be gated on the results. Non-critpath updates would be unaffected. (There's a small allowlist of non-critpath packages for which the tests are also run, but they are not currently gated on the results). I think doing this could really help us keep Rawhide solid and avoid introducing major compose-breaking bugs, at minimal cost. But it's a significant change and I wanted to see what folks think. In particular, if you find the existing gating of updates for stable/branched releases to cause problems in any way, I'd love to hear about it. Thanks folks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2023-04-25
by Chris Murphy 26 Apr '23

26 Apr '23

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2023-04-25) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 19:07:43 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-04-25/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Allan, Kalev, Chris, Owen (brainycmurf, 19:07:54) * Guests: Luna Jernberg(bittin), jkonecny, mkolman (brainycmurf, 19:07:54) * Regrets: Matthias, Tomas, Neal (brainycmurf, 19:07:54) * Missing: (brainycmurf, 19:07:54) * Secretary: Jens (brainycmurf, 19:07:54) * FWWG Chair for Fedora 39 cycle (brainycmurf, 19:07:54) * AGREED: Allan will be WG Chair for F39 cycle (brainycmurf, 19:07:58) * Anaconda Web UI requirements (brainycmurf, 19:08:00) * Replacement for custom partitioning (brainycmurf, 19:08:02) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/375 (brainycmurf, 19:08:04) * Separate home (brainycmurf, 19:08:51) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/376 (brainycmurf, 19:08:53) * Select partitioning scheme (brainycmurf, 19:09:04) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/377 (brainycmurf, 19:09:06) * Dual boot support (brainycmurf, 19:09:10) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/371 (brainycmurf, 19:09:12) * Announcements and status updates (brainycmurf, 19:09:16) * LAS and HDR hackfest ongoing (brainycmurf, 19:09:20) * Gnome 44.1 point releases (brainycmurf, 19:09:22) * Last week's meeting minutes (brainycmurf, 19:09:24) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-04-19/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 19:09:26) Meeting ended at 19:09:29 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (51) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 24 Apr '23

24 Apr '23

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2023-04-25 from 10:00:00 to 10:50:00 US/Eastern At https://meet.opensuse.org/FedoraWorkstationWG The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10448/

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April 25, 2023 Workstation WG Meeting (secretary: Neal)
by Michael Catanzaro 21 Apr '23

21 Apr '23

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday, April 25, at 10:00 AM EDT (14:00 UTC). Join link: https://meet.opensuse.org/FedoraWorkstationWG Agenda: #topic Select Working Group chair for Fedora 39 release cycle #topic Announcements and status updates

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2023-04-18
by Chris Murphy 20 Apr '23

20 Apr '23

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2023-04-18) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 23:47:57 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-04-19/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Kalev, Tomas, Owen, Jens, Allan, Chris, Michael, Neal (brainycmurf, 23:48:09) * Guests: Jiri, Martin (brainycmurf, 23:48:09) * Regrets: Matthias (brainycmurf, 23:48:09) * Missing: (brainycmurf, 23:48:09) * Secretary: Kalev (brainycmurf, 23:48:09) * Anaconda Web UI requirements (brainycmurf, 23:48:10) * Ability to select a language and keyboard for installer and live session: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/366 (brainycmurf, 23:48:14) * Ability to switch keyboard layouts during installation: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/368 (brainycmurf, 23:48:17) * Anaconda Web UI requirements: Ability to reuse a /home partition or subvolume: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/367 (brainycmurf, 23:48:48) * FWWG Chair for Fedora 39 cycle (brainycmurf, 23:49:16) * Give ABRT some <3 (brainycmurf, 23:49:29) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/130 (brainycmurf, 23:49:31) * ACTION: Michael to discuss this with the ABRT team. (brainycmurf, 23:49:37) * Announcements and status updates (brainycmurf, 23:49:44) * New website! (brainycmurf, 23:49:46) * Fedora 38 is released! (brainycmurf, 23:49:48) * LAS is this week - https://linuxappsummit.org/ (brainycmurf, 23:49:50) * HDR hackest next week - https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/ShellDisplayNext2023 (brainycmurf, 23:49:52) Meeting ended at 23:49:54 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Michael to discuss this with the ABRT team. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * Michael * Michael to discuss this with the ABRT team. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (47) * zodbot (7) * Michael (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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Xorg issues on F38
by Michael Cronenworth 20 Apr '23

20 Apr '23

Hi, I upgraded a few systems from F37 to F38 today and ran into some graphical glitches on my Xorg/NVIDIA system that were not occurring on F37. Wayland systems do not have the following issues. * Thunderbird title bar does not react to mouse clicks to raise focus.[1] * Same behavior seen in "mpv", VirtualBox, and a few other apps. * Libreoffice has two major problems. 1. When not focused, the window is not "fully" drawn and other windows flicker through it. 2. Mouse clicks are offset on the X and Y axis by about +50 pixels. Meaning clicking a Calc cell results in the Cell above and to the left being clicked instead. * Firefox or core Gnome applications do not have any graphical or behavior problems. Any one else encountering this? Thanks, Michael [1]

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 17 Apr '23

17 Apr '23

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2023-04-18 from 10:00:00 to 10:50:00 US/Eastern At https://meet.opensuse.org/FedoraWorkstationWG The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10448/

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2023-04-11
by Chris Murphy 12 Apr '23

12 Apr '23

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2023-04-04) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 16:58:21 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-04-11/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Michael, Tomas, Allan, Chris, Matthias, Kalev, Jen (brainycmurf, 16:58:35) * Guests: (brainycmurf, 16:58:35) * Regrets: Neal (brainycmurf, 16:58:35) * Missing: Owen (brainycmurf, 16:58:35) * Secretary: Chris (brainycmurf, 16:58:35) * Fedora 38 final blockers (brainycmurf, 16:58:36) * LINK: https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/38/final/buglist (brainycmurf, 16:58:38) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2176759 (brainycmurf, 16:58:45) * No further action needed on our end. (brainycmurf, 16:58:47) * Appoint chair for F39 release cycle (brainycmurf, 16:58:49) * Any volunteers? Nomination period open. (brainycmurf, 16:58:51) * append commands to bash history instead of overwriting (brainycmurf, 16:58:53) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/364 (brainycmurf, 16:58:55) * ACTION: Chris will write up a draft idea/proposal for devel@ discussion (brainycmurf, 16:58:57) * Give ABRT some love (brainycmurf, 16:58:59) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/130 (brainycmurf, 16:59:01) * ABRT team needs help, issue has been open three years, priority issues aren't getting fixed. (brainycmurf, 16:59:03) * ACTION: Michael will followup (brainycmurf, 16:59:16) * Announcements and status updates (brainycmurf, 16:59:18) * There's a draft available of the what's new in F38 workstation magazine article (brainycmurf, 16:59:20) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-newsroom/issue/173 (brainycmurf, 16:59:22) * Last week's meeting minutes posted (brainycmurf, 16:59:27) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-04-05/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 16:59:29) Meeting ended at 16:59:32 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Chris will write up a draft idea/proposal for devel@ discussion * Michael will followup Action Items, by person ----------------------- * Michael * Michael will followup * **UNASSIGNED** * Chris will write up a draft idea/proposal for devel@ discussion People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (33) * zodbot (7) * Michael (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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