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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 30 Jun '25

30 Jun '25

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2025-07-01 from 10:00:00 to 10:50:00 US/Eastern At https://meet.google.com/jod-dkmw-ibd The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. This meeting is open to the public. Feel free to join. Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-working-group/ To join the video meeting, click this link: https://meet.google.com/jod-dkmw-ibd Otherwise, to join by phone, dial +1 562-232-9197 and enter this PIN: 750 389 066# To view more phone numbers, click this link: https://tel.meet/jod-dkmw-ibd?hs=5 Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10954/

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2025-06-24
by Chris Murphy 24 Jun '25

24 Jun '25

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Fedora Workstation Working Group Meeting 2025-06-24
by Michael Catanzaro 24 Jun '25

24 Jun '25

Meeting summary is generated by Gemini and edited by me: Meeting Jun 24, 2025 at 08:57 CDT Summary Adrian Vovk and Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) discussed challenges with systemd's dynamic UID ranges and SSSD's need for fixed UIDs, the development status and potential issues with systemd-homed and systemd-userdb, and the possibility of upstreaming GDM plumbing into systemd. Adrian Vovk also detailed ongoing work for passwordless login in GDM, including various authentication methods and the rendering of web pages, while Matthias Clasen and Adrian discussed the planned removal of legacy X11 code from GDM. Lastly, Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) announced improvements to the Open H.264 update process. Participants included Adrian Vovk, Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo), Allan Day, and Matthias Clasen. Details SSSD and systemd UID Ranges Adrian Vovk raised a challenge regarding the dynamic UID ranges used by systemd for GDM and SSSD's apparent resistance to them. Adrian explained that systemd reserves UID ranges for purposes like greeters and container managers. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) highlighted that SSSD needs to support fixed UIDs and GIDs for compatibility with federated UNIX identity systems and shared user data. Adrian suggested UID mapping as a potential solution, but Neal clarified that stable UIDs are necessary on each local machine for consistent access. They discussed the size of the UID ranges and the potential for exhaustion. Neal believes the core problem is a misunderstanding between the SSSD and systemd teams regarding the actual problem to be solved. Matthias noted the long-standing disagreements between the teams and suggested Adrian's connection to systemd could be helpful. homed and userdb Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) mentioned that systemd-homed and systemd-userdb are not actively developed upstream in systemd, with userdb having performance issues that could cause login hangs with multiple data sources. Adrian Vovk disputed the performance issue claims, stating that user creation ensures no allocation conflicts and highlighted the parallel running of multiple backends in a standard systemd installation. Neal countered that bug reports regarding these performance issues have been filed. Adrian stated that userdb is well-maintained by many maintainers, while homed primarily receives attention from Lennart and themself due to the lack of desktop environment support. They discussed the parallel processing of user database queries, with Adrian arguing against sequential pulling for performance reasons. Neal expressed concern about potential future problems with the current approach. Upstreaming GDM Plumbing Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) inquired about technical documentation for Adrian Vovk's work, as other desktops are interested in similar implementations. Adrian mentioned discussions with Matthias Klumpp about potentially upstreaming the core plumbing of GDM (excluding the gnome-shell GUI) into systemd. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) believes this would greatly simplify seat login management. Adrian explained that systemd would then launch the login screen, regardless of the desktop environment. Passwordless Login Adrian Vovk detailed the ongoing work for passwordless login in GDM, including support for smart cards, passkeys, web login forms, and QR code scanning. This aims to address requirements in enterprise deployments. Adrian explained the use of a JSON protocol to communicate rich authentication prompts and responses through PAM to the GUI. This will also benefit homed's passwordless login features like PIN codes, fingerprint sensors, and smart cards. Allan Day expressed interest in streamlined setup for authentication methods like Yubikeys. Adrian also mentioned kernel work in progress (Linux virtualization based security - LVBS) to potentially secure less secure authentication methods like face unlock by running the sensitive code in a secure enclave VM. Web Page Rendering in GDM Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) asked how a web page would be rendered in GDM for passwordless login. Adrian Vovk clarified that WebKitGTK is not directly usable as GDM's login screen is not rendered with GTK. The proposed solution involves running a Wayland surface and reparenting it into the login screen UI, potentially using the Wayland compositor part of Mutter. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) found this approach unconventional, but Adrian affirmed its feasibility at an implementation level. Removal of Legacy X11 Code in GDM Matthias inquired about the timeline for removing legacy X11 code from GDM. Adrian Vovk stated this should happen as soon as possible, noting that GDM's modularity allows for easy file deletion. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) added that forking SDDM and removing X11 code resulted in a two-thirds reduction in codebase size. Adrian mentioned that this legacy code is already disabled in Fedora with numerous conditional compilation directives, meaning removal would involve deleting C files and cleaning up build configurations. Open H.264 Update Process Improvement Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) announced that Open H.264 for reals is now done, published, and updated. Neal also reported a process change that will utilize a drop locker for future updates, aiming to reduce turnaround times from weeks or months to days.

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 23 Jun '25

23 Jun '25

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2025-06-24 from 10:00:00 to 10:50:00 US/Eastern At https://meet.google.com/jod-dkmw-ibd The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. This meeting is open to the public. Feel free to join. Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-working-group/ To join the video meeting, click this link: https://meet.google.com/jod-dkmw-ibd Otherwise, to join by phone, dial +1 562-232-9197 and enter this PIN: 750 389 066# To view more phone numbers, click this link: https://tel.meet/jod-dkmw-ibd?hs=5 Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10954/

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2025-06-17
by Chris Murphy 17 Jun '25

17 Jun '25

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Fedora Workstation Working Group Meeting 2025-06-17
by Michael Catanzaro 17 Jun '25

17 Jun '25

Hi, we didn't have a meeting agenda in advance of this week's meeting, but here is the meeting summary. As always, the summary is generated by Gemini and edited by me: Jun 17, 2025 Meeting Jun 17, 2025 at 08:49 CDT Summary Felipe Borges started a conversation regarding decreasing the amount of packages the GNOME team supports, with Michael Catanzaro concurring on the necessity to reduce maintenance but advising against considering whether applications are available on Flathub when removing ownership. Michael Catanzaro and Tomáš Popela discussed the difficulties in updating package ownership, while Matthias Clasen shared an update on the new sandboxed Rust-based image loader and Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) provided an update on the OpenH.264 status. Details Package Set Reduction Felipe Borges initiated a discussion about reducing the number of packages maintained by the GNOME team, suggesting that many are not core to the desktop experience and might be better sourced from Flathub. Michael Catanzaro agreed with the need to stop maintaining everything but cautioned against removing packages solely based on Flathub availability, as it's not a default for Fedora users. The group decided to work on a list of packages to potentially orphan, with Tomáš Popela offering to help identify and clean up outdated maintainer assignments. Package Ownership Challenges Michael Catanzaro and Tomáš Popela acknowledged the difficulty of transferring ownership of GNOME SIG packages to new maintainers, as a human admin is required. Tomáš Popela mentioned a bug in Pagure that complicates administrative changes to packages, requiring intervention from Fedora infrastructure. The team agreed to communicate their intent to stop maintaining certain packages to allow current or new maintainers to step in. Image Loading Security Update Matthias Clasen announced the upstream release of a new Glycin and gdk-pixbuf update that replaces legacy pixbuf loaders with a sandboxed Rust-based loader, aiming to improve image loading security. They anticipated this change to land in rawhide soon and alerted the team to potential issues with image loading or performance due to the sandboxing. OpenH.264 Status Matthias Clasen followed up on the status of Open H.264, and Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) reported receiving communication from Cisco indicating progress. Despite time zone challenges, Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) is actively engaging with contacts at Cisco to resolve the issue. Matthias Clasen decided to keep this on the agenda for the following week. Suggested next steps Nieves Montero Fernandez will update the mclazy script to remove the identified packages. Felipe Borges, Michael Catanzaro, and Tomáš Popela will coordinate to identify non-core packages for removal, create a list, and announce this to the Fedora devel mailing list.

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 16 Jun '25

16 Jun '25

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2025-06-17 from 10:00:00 to 10:50:00 US/Eastern At https://meet.google.com/jod-dkmw-ibd The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. This meeting is open to the public. Feel free to join. Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-working-group/ To join the video meeting, click this link: https://meet.google.com/jod-dkmw-ibd Otherwise, to join by phone, dial +1 562-232-9197 and enter this PIN: 750 389 066# To view more phone numbers, click this link: https://tel.meet/jod-dkmw-ibd?hs=5 Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10954/

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Fedora Workstation Working Group Meeting 2025-06-10
by Matthias Clasen 10 Jun '25

10 Jun '25

Date and Time: 2025-06-10 10:00 AM EST 14:00 UTC Location: https://meet.google.com/jod-dkmw-ibd Previous minutes: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.o… Agenda #topic X11 sessions Some updates: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/Initiatives/-/issues/60 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-25-10-drops-support-for-gnome-on-xorg… #topic flock trip report by Neal # topic Outdated screenshots on website #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/482 #topic Announcements, follow-ups, status reports #topic Open Floor

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2025-06-10
by Chris Murphy 10 Jun '25

10 Jun '25

===================================== # #meeting-2:fedoraproject.org: workstation ===================================== Meeting started by @cmurf:fedora.im at 2025-06-10 15:20:58 Meeting summary --------------- * INFO: Present members: Michael, Allan, Chris, Neal, Nieves, Tomas, Matthias (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * INFO: Regrets: (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * INFO: Missing: Jens, Michel (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * INFO: Secretary: (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * INFO: Guests: Lee Thomas, Luna (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * TOPIC: X11 sessions (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * INFO: Some updates (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * LINK: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/Initiatives/-/issues/60 (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * LINK: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-25-10-drops-support-for-gnome-on-xorg… (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * TOPIC: flock (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * TOPIC: Outdated screenshots on website (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/482 (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * TOPIC: Announcements, follow-ups, status reports (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * INFO: Nieves talked to Adam about update poliy changes, report (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * INFO: Devconf.cz with Fedora people in it in Brno, CZ (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * LINK: https://www.devconf.info/cz/ (Thursday-Saturday this week) (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * TOPIC: Open Floor (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * INFO: trip report by Neal (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:05) * TOPIC: Gemini notes for this meeting (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:31) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.o… (@cmurf:fedora.im, 15:22:31) Meeting ended at 2025-06-10 15:22:41 Action items ------------ People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * @cmurf:fedora.im (34) * @meetbot:fedora.im (4)

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 09 Jun '25

09 Jun '25

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2025-06-10 from 10:00:00 to 10:50:00 US/Eastern At https://meet.google.com/jod-dkmw-ibd The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. This meeting is open to the public. Feel free to join. Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-working-group/ To join the video meeting, click this link: https://meet.google.com/jod-dkmw-ibd Otherwise, to join by phone, dial +1 562-232-9197 and enter this PIN: 750 389 066# To view more phone numbers, click this link: https://tel.meet/jod-dkmw-ibd?hs=5 Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10954/

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