Hi Elad,

On Sep 9, 2014 11:33 AM, "Elad Alfassa" <elad@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro@gnome.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2014-09-09 at 16:05 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
> >> I'm not sure that's fair, comparing the feature list from F20
> >> gnome-software to F21 is huge. People using the COPR have got a sneak
> >> peak of some of the juicy stuff, but in f20 software was kinda dull.
> >
> > Well, with respect to gnome-software, yes, that is much improved. Let me
> > try to rephrase my point.
> >
> > F21 has mostly the same applications as F20 did. We're not "picking the
> > best components out there" any more than we were before, and we're not
> > "doing a lot of work to integrate and polish them" any more than we were
> > before. It is not a "much more polished and targeted product than what
> > you seen before from the Fedora community." Fedora already had a good
> > set of default applications, the new set is pretty much the same as it
> > used to be (exception: devassistant), and improvements in applications
> > since F20 are all upstream improvements, not Fedora-specific integration
> > (exception: the PackageKit backend).
>
> I completely disagree with that. We do a lot of integration work, and
> the default set did change a lot, for example the firewall allowing
> incoming connections to high ports out of the box and there's much
> less useless stuff installed by default. We also install git by
> default, for example, which we didn't do before.
>
> Overall Fedora 21 comes almost ready for developers to use out of the box.
>
> What you're saying effectively tries to diminish all the hard work
> we've done this cycle, and I don't like this at all.
>
I don't think that's what he intended. What I understood Michael to be saying was that this particular release hasn't radically changed the usability, from our target's perspective, not that much work wasn't done.

IMHO, f21 shouldn't be the release where great effort is made to introduce the world to Fedora: The Workstation as that's a type of messaging which can really only be used once (until the next f.N). At a minimum, we should wait to see the results of the targeted user testing, and possibly even after that when any changes suggested by that effort are integrated.
You get one chance to make a first impression;)

Best/Liam