On 11/06/2014 04:18 PM, Elad Alfassa wrote:


On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Liam <liam.bulkley@gmail.com> wrote:


On Nov 6, 2014 2:45 PM, "Ryan Lerch" <rlerch@redhat.com> wrote:
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> On 11/06/2014 02:36 PM, Anibal Gomez wrote:
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>> Yumex is great package manager
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>> What do you think?
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>> $ sudo yum install yumex
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>> Regards!
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>> balerocms.com
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> Hi Anibal!
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> Thanks for the suggestion!
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> However, The currently of the Workstation is focusing more on the Software application for installing new software. While it is not a graphical package manager (it only searches and installs applications that have .desktop files) the concept is that the average user of Fedora should be able to find and install all the applications they require for the workstation it, and if they require lower level packages and services, using yum (and soon the yum replacement, DNF), via the command line is IMO the recommended default way.
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 Given our target audience, why not just present everything in Software? Is there some user testing data of our audience that has shown an alarming amount of confusion regarding GUI driven installation of, for instance, libraries?
Imho, as long as it's clear what is a GUI program and what isn't, I think it far better to have one officially supported way of installing software than the frustration of searching for some utility in Software and not finding it.
Personally, I just never touch Software. Not b/c I have anything against GUI software management but b/c I
don't want to be forced to wonder "is this $package going to show up in Software?"

Best/Liam


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Software is not about "packages". it's about applications.


Liam, I understand your frustration in searching for things in software and not being able to find them. Just out of interest, what kinds of packages were you searching for? Command line applications like mutt or vim? Or command line tools like git, etc? Or low level packages like kernel and other libraries?

The line was drawn in Software to define an "Application" as something that has a desktop file -- aka a GUI application. Although you could argue that mutt, vim, git etc are applications also but users are going to use them on a command line, so i think the assumption that was made was that those users would be comfortable using the command line to install them.

One thing that Software does add to the experience for GUI applications is the ability to browse and search all the different kinds of applications, see screenshots and more detailed descriptions. In my software installation workflow, if i am looking for a graphical application to solve my problem, i search Software (now too with the search provider, it appears in the Overview when searching there), and if i need a command line anything -- i go to the commandline and search the repos using DNF.

cheers,
ryanlerhÂ