8:27 p.m.
On basic Fedora Core 3 gnome (using the Metacity window
damager), and traditional focus-follows-mouse, how does one
prevent the focus from changing when a new window is opened?
At least for me, the principle of least astonishment is
continuously broken when a newly opened window grabs the focus
from right under my mouse pointer (and I need to move the
pointer out of my window and then back in to regain it).
piglet:~% uname -a
Linux piglet.otto.net 2.6.10-1.770_FC3smp #1 SMP Thu Feb 24 14:20:06 EST 2005
i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
piglet:~% rpm -q xorg-x11 metacity
xorg-x11-6.8.2-1.FC3.13_2.rhfc3.at
metacity-2.8.6-2
piglet:~% cat /etc/fedora-release
Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg)
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9:06 p.m.
I could be wrong, but I believe that was fixed with gnome 2.10 (
FC4t1+). Metacity/gnome now does not preempt focus on new windows.
They are also working on a theme friendly was for the window hint urgent
to be seen by the user ( please no bouncing icons ).
Cheers,
Eric
Otto J. Makela wrote:
On basic Fedora Core 3 gnome (using the Metacity window
damager), and traditional focus-follows-mouse, how does one
prevent the focus from changing when a new window is opened?
At least for me, the principle of least astonishment is
continuously broken when a newly opened window grabs the focus
from right under my mouse pointer (and I need to move the
pointer out of my window and then back in to regain it).
piglet:~% uname -a
Linux piglet.otto.net 2.6.10-1.770_FC3smp #1 SMP Thu Feb 24 14:20:06 EST 2005
i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
piglet:~% rpm -q xorg-x11 metacity
xorg-x11-6.8.2-1.FC3.13_2.rhfc3.at
metacity-2.8.6-2
piglet:~% cat /etc/fedora-release
Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg)
11:39 p.m.
On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote:
I could be wrong, but I believe that was fixed with gnome 2.10 (
FC4t1+). Metacity/gnome now does not preempt focus on new windows.
They are also working on a theme friendly was for the window hint
urgent
to be seen by the user ( please no bouncing icons ).
Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10
Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not
getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates
productivity
Thanks
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1:38 p.m.
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Colin Charles wrote:
On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote:
Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10
Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not
getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates
productivity
Exactly. I have to keep polling the GAIM window... Not only
that, when I click on a PDF file in a browser, it takes a while
to figure out why *nothing is happening*. Well, because the PDF
viewer is opened in the background... I can only hope FC4
doesn't ship with this setting. Any chance to do that?
Thanks
--behdad
http://behdad.org/
4:41 p.m.
fre, 15.04.2005 kl. 20.38 skrev Behdad Esfahbod:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Colin Charles wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote:
>
> Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10
>
> Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not
> getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates
> productivity
Exactly. I have to keep polling the GAIM window... Not only
that, when I click on a PDF file in a browser, it takes a while
to figure out why *nothing is happening*. Well, because the PDF
viewer is opened in the background... I can only hope FC4
doesn't ship with this setting. Any chance to do that?
> Thanks
--behdad
http://behdad.org/
4:42 p.m.
fre, 15.04.2005 kl. 20.38 skrev Behdad Esfahbod:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Colin Charles wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote:
>
> Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10
>
> Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not
> getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates
> productivity
Exactly. I have to keep polling the GAIM window... Not only
that, when I click on a PDF file in a browser, it takes a while
to figure out why *nothing is happening*. Well, because the PDF
viewer is opened in the background... I can only hope FC4
doesn't ship with this setting. Any chance to do that?
> Thanks
--behdad
http://behdad.org/
Perhaps the best way to do it, would be to have an API call which told
metacity to never let anything take focus from it. So that pasword
dialogs etc. wouldn't suffer todays problems, and no new problems would
be generated.
Kyrre
7:48 p.m.
On 4/15/05, Kyrre Ness Sjobak <kyrre(a)solution-forge.net> wrote:
fre, 15.04.2005 kl. 20.38 skrev Behdad Esfahbod:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Colin Charles wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote:
> >
> > Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10
> >
> > Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not
> > getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates
> > productivity
>
> Exactly. I have to keep polling the GAIM window... Not only
> that, when I click on a PDF file in a browser, it takes a while
> to figure out why *nothing is happening*. Well, because the PDF
> viewer is opened in the background... I can only hope FC4
> doesn't ship with this setting. Any chance to do that?
>
> > Thanks
>
> --behdad
> http://behdad.org/
Perhaps the best way to do it, would be to have an API call which told
metacity to never let anything take focus from it. So that pasword
dialogs etc. wouldn't suffer todays problems, and no new problems would
be generated.
Kyrre
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My solution to this problem has been to install the guifications
plugin at http://guifications.sourceforge.net/ . It just raises a
small window on your screen for certain events. You can then click on
it to go over to that IM, or right click for more options.. It gives
you the security of windows stealing focus when you are typing, and
notification when events happen in gaim. I am using the Clearlooks
theme which blends in quite nicely with gnome 2.10.
Jon
10:34 p.m.
On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 14:39 +1000, Colin Charles wrote:.
Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10
Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not
getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates
productivity
So you want a toggle switch so users can choose suboptimal behavior A or
suboptimal behavior B?
While sometimes we need to settle for that, it's not the default
solution.
In this case I think something like this will fix it:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120439
I would like to see this done and backported to our 2.10 libwnck
package.
or something like this thing someone mentioned is another option:
http://guifications.sourceforge.net/Guifications/
Or even simpler, gaim could be hacked to always grab focus or have an
option for same, though I wouldn't advocate that.
If these 3 things were hard to implement maybe we'd want a stopgap
solution, but any or all of these fixes could be completed in a matter
of a couple days. (so hint hint, someone should just do it, there's no
point having a big mailing list argument ;-)
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