2:41 p.m.
Being a belt-&-suspenders kind of guy, especially about security, I've
been running both yum nightly updates and up2date (on three FC1 PCs and an
FC2 PC). Someone recommended synaptic, and I installed that. Now when I
invoke it, it gives me an error message about duplicate packages ; and
when I look, sure enough, there are two -- with slightly different indicia.
Will keeping both really make trouble? It looks like synaptic will let me
find them and choose -- but not tell me how to choose. (My impulse would
just be to take the later a/o higher numbered.)
When I invoke synaptic, I get this :
=====
[btth@localhost btth]$ synaptic &
[1] 10128
[btth@localhost btth]$
(synaptic:10132): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkwidget.c: line 2041
(gtk_widget_hide): assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
=====
and once it opens, it shows me :
=====
There are multiple versions of "gd-devel" in your system.
This package won't be cleanly updated, unless you leave
only one version. To leave multiple versions installed,
you may remove that warning by setting the following
option in your configuration file:
RPM::Allow-Duplicated { "^gd-devel$"; };
To disable these warnings completely set:
RPM::Allow-Duplicated-Warning "false";
=====
similarly for gstreamer-plugins, gnome-session, man, libpng,
syatem-config-display, slang, GConf2-devel, libbonobo, krb5-libs,
rsync, squid, gnome-applets, rpm-build, shadow-utils, nfs-utils,
mod_ssl, libpcap, and mkisofs.
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4:55 p.m.
New subject: Do yum and up2date play nice? -- detail
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:41:05 -0500, beartooth wrote:
Being a belt-&-suspenders kind of guy, especially about security,
I've
been running both yum nightly updates and up2date (on three FC1 PCs and an
FC2 PC). Someone recommended synaptic, and I installed that. [....]
I forgot to mention: synaptic is on the FC2; it was recommended
specifically for that, and I don't know whether it exists for FC1, nor
whether to try it if it does.
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Pine 4.62, Pan 0.14.2; Privoxy 3.0.1; Opera 7.54, Firefox 1.0
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6:44 p.m.
New subject: Do yum and up2date play nice? -- detail
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 11:55 -0500, beartooth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:41:05 -0500, beartooth wrote:
> Being a belt-&-suspenders kind of guy, especially about security, I've
> been running both yum nightly updates and up2date (on three FC1 PCs and an
> FC2 PC). Someone recommended synaptic, and I installed that. [....]
I forgot to mention: synaptic is on the FC2; it was recommended
specifically for that, and I don't know whether it exists for FC1, nor
whether to try it if it does.
choose one of:
yum
up2date
apt/synaptic
and go with it.
do not use all of them at once.
-sv
7:31 p.m.
New subject: Do yum and up2date play nice? -- detail
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:44:39 -0500, seth vidal wrote:
choose one of:
yum
up2date
apt/synaptic
and go with it.
do not use all of them at once.
Well, as long as yum is working -- which seems to take a lot more and more
frequent tweaking -- I prefer it to up2date. (I haven't really tried
synaptic yet; haven't even run it.) So at least on the FC1 machines, I
should remove the launchers on the panel for up2date.
Any advice as between synaptic and yum? I presume each has pros and cons.
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8:12 p.m.
New subject: Do yum and up2date play nice? -- detail
Well, as long as yum is working -- which seems to take a lot more and
more
frequent tweaking --
what tweaking does yum take?
Any advice as between synaptic and yum? I presume each has pros and
cons.
well from the web pages and mailing lists it looks like apt-rpm is
abandoned.
-sv
8:16 p.m.
New subject: Do yum and up2date play nice? -- detail
a quick sumup:
synaptic is a nice GUI for apt.
up2date is only usefull to show pending updates
yum is only usefull after fc2 (IMO), unless you are dealing with
multilib.
So for fc<3, use apt. For fc>3, use yum. If x86_64, use yum.
That is the simple explanation.
man, 14.03.2005 kl. 20.31 skrev beartooth:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:44:39 -0500, seth vidal wrote:
> choose one of:
>
> yum
> up2date
> apt/synaptic
>
>
> and go with it.
>
> do not use all of them at once.
Well, as long as yum is working -- which seems to take a lot more and more
frequent tweaking -- I prefer it to up2date. (I haven't really tried
synaptic yet; haven't even run it.) So at least on the FC1 machines, I
should remove the launchers on the panel for up2date.
Any advice as between synaptic and yum? I presume each has pros and cons.
--
Beartooth Implacable, Linux Evangelist & Gadfly
neo-redneck, curmudgeonly codger with FC1&2, YDL4
Pine 4.62, Pan 0.14.2; Privoxy 3.0.1; Opera 7.54, Firefox 1.0
Bear in mind that I have little idea what I am talking about.
8:37 p.m.
New subject: Do yum and up2date play nice? -- detail
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 21:16 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
a quick sumup:
synaptic is a nice GUI for apt.
up2date is only usefull to show pending updates
yum is only usefull after fc2 (IMO), unless you are dealing with
multilib.
So for fc<3, use apt. For fc>3, use yum. If x86_64, use yum.
That is the simple explanation.
I disagree, of course, if you're looking for repositories you're going
to have more luck finding yum repositories for FC-2.
-sv
9:18 p.m.
New subject: Do yum and up2date play nice? -- detail
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:37:49 -0500, seth vidal <skvidal(a)phy.duke.edu> wrote:
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 21:16 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
> a quick sumup:
>
> synaptic is a nice GUI for apt.
>
> up2date is only usefull to show pending updates
>
> yum is only usefull after fc2 (IMO), unless you are dealing with
> multilib.
>
> So for fc<3, use apt. For fc>3, use yum. If x86_64, use yum.
>
> That is the simple explanation.
I disagree, of course, if you're looking for repositories you're going
to have more luck finding yum repositories for FC-2.
-sv
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Another difference: in synaptic you can browse for packages. AFAIK you
can't do that with yum.
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9:19 p.m.
New subject: Do yum and up2date play nice? -- detail
Another difference: in synaptic you can browse for packages. AFAIK
you
can't do that with yum.
well considering yum isn't a graphic interface, you're right.
if you want to search and look through things in yum, you can:
yum list available
yum search
yum provides
-sv
9:52 p.m.
New subject: Do yum and up2date play nice? -- detail
man, 14.03.2005 kl. 22.19 skrev seth vidal:
> Another difference: in synaptic you can browse for packages.
AFAIK you
> can't do that with yum.
>
well considering yum isn't a graphic interface, you're right.
if you want to search and look through things in yum, you can:
yum list available
yum search
yum provides
-sv
Yes you can. And it works in fc3 (- even if a gui would be nice).
But in fc2 and earlier its deadly slow (it migth be me remembering the
performance of yum over a dialup...).
But today, yum is a nice tool. Really. I am really glad it exists - it
provides the "package management piece" to fc, and both me, and many
more use it every day with joy.
10:54 p.m.
New subject: Do yum and up2date play nice? -- detail
Dotan Cohen:
Another difference: in synaptic you can browse for packages. AFAIK
you
can't do that with yum.
That's like comparing apples to oranges. Synaptic is a GUI for apt; yum
is not a GUI, it's a CLI app like apt. You can browse for packages with
yum as a backend using one of the many yum GUI frontends (gyum, yum
extender, yummi, etc.). Maybe synaptic is more mature at te moment than
the various yum frontends, but I believe a lot of work is being put into
them, so I guess it's getting better (disclaimer: I have not used any
yum frontends).
I used apt and synaptic on FC1 and FC2, but switched to yum with FC3.
Not really sure why, but it works just fine. One thing though: every yum
command you issue does a full refresh of the header files from the
enabled repositories, which takes some time. I liked apt's separation
with apt-get update (to update header files from repo's), apt-get
upgrade (to upgrade packages) and other commands (like searching),
although I do think with apt at first there might be some confusion as
to what the difference between update and upgrade is. At least with yum
your header files are always up to date. :)
Nils Breunese.
12:52 a.m.
been running both yum nightly updates and up2date (on three FC1 PCs
and an
FC2 PC). Someone recommended synaptic, and I installed that. Now when I
invoke it, it gives me an error message about duplicate packages ; and
when I look, sure enough, there are two -- with slightly different indicia.
Will keeping both really make trouble? It looks like synaptic will let me..
<SNIP>
FWIW you are taken care of adaquately by just running yum, it will
gracefully update anything that needs updating from Core, Extras and
any "other" repos assuming you have properly configured it to do so.
There is a possiblity that some of the other repos packages may
conflice with Core/Extras (YMMV). As far as the duplicate rpms go
keeping the newest version of each and doing rpm -e foo on the older
of each pair should suffice.
Bests,
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