On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 10:51 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: Which card and which kernel? I noticed really slow to never pick up times on the iwl4965 on -86 kernel. -sv

On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 10:52 -0400, seth vidal wrote: 4965, any kernel I've thrown at it that actually has working wireless drivers. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!

On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 11:08 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: It's entirely possible. It seems awfully fast. I haven't yet tried moving to a different area / access point between suspends to see how it handles that. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!

On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 10:51 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: NM throws away the current access point list on suspend/hibernate. On resume from sleep/hibernate, it needs to do a scan or two to find the network to associate with, and after that, do the whole connection process (including DHCP) again. There is a considerable amount of lag here, and there's certainly room for improvement. First, we need better kernel interfaces for wireless. Finishing nl80211/cfg80211 and ensuring that they have a more request/response oriented API [1] is the way to go. Second, Mac OS X and Windows indicate connection differently from NetworkManager. Mac OS X will show that Airport is "connected" way before it's successfully completed DHCP or IP assignment. That's a completely useless status since you can't actually do anything in that state, so NetworkManager considers the "connected" state to be once all IP configuration is complete and successful. Third, drivers still suck for scanning. Ideally, we'd just fire off a quick scan right after NM wakes back up, get back a nice list of access points, and immediately connect to one of them. For whatever reason a single scan is still not reliable enough to get an adequate picture of the network around you. And since scans can take quite a bit of time to complete [2] you get unacceptable latency here. So how to fix this? a) Get drivers to support specific SSID scanning (unfortunately older drivers probably won't be able to do this, but all mac80211 drivers can), and when an SSID scan is requested, make that jump to the start of the scan queue. Have the driver/mac80211 provide a specific response to that scan request so that NetworkManager knows the result. b) When coming out of sleep, have NetworkManager SSID scan the last connected AP. If that AP doesn't show up in scan results (its not there, the driver sucks, etc), continue as normal. If that AP does show up in scan results, try to associate with that AP. c) Since NM controls the DHCP client, NM is capable of providing different lease files to dhclient for each network you've connected to. So for 'my-home-wireless' NM could try to re-acquire the previous lease before falling back to a complete DHCP transaction. I don't really know how much time this would save, since lots of the latency is in the wpa_supplicant <-> driver communication during authentication/association because the WEXT API is so bad at reporting it's status. But that can be improved independently of the NM bits, and the stuff above is definitely a win. Try resuming while plugged into a cable, and NM will be REALLY FAST. It's just when you throw wireless into the mix that stuff gets more complicated and therefore quite a bit laggier. Dan [1] i.e. a way to track the result of specific requests. With WEXT you say "associate to X" and some time later the driver may or may not send association status back, but there's no ID/cookie to tie that result back to the original request that was made. Would be nice to be able to track the progress of asynchronous operations through the driver/kernel. [2] historically up to 10s with madwifi to scan both A and B/G bands; you have up to 60 channels with at least a 100ms passive scan dwell time on each channel, and maybe 50ms channel switch lag, not including firmware/driver command latency. SSID scanning (called an "active scan" in 802.11) helps because you send out the probe request and only have to wait 20 or 30ms before giving up, instead of the minimum 100ms a passive scan requires.