Michael Catanzaro wrote: > ... I propose we require flat volumes to be > temporarily disabled in Fedora 24 and future Fedora releases until the > issue has been fixed. > > We were planning to vote on this at the working group meeting today, > but ran out of time, so working group members should vote here. I am > obviously +1. > > This issue is tracked here: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267 +1

That sort of whiplash (disabling something 'temporarily' only to bring it back next release) is generally frustrating to all sides. The flat volume haters will rejoice when we turn it off now and upset when we bring it back later. The flat volume proponents will have the opposite reaction. And everybody else will just shake their head and think "they have no idea what they're doing". Since we've been living with flat volume's warts for so long, I would suggest to wait for the PA fixes.

On Wed, 2016-02-17 at 10:17 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > Hi, > > A few months ago we discussed my proposal to disable PulseAudio flat > volumes, as it results in applications setting system volume to 100%, > which at best is loud and annoying, and at worst is bad for your ears > if you're using headphones; I've had to train myself to avoid this > issue by adjusting my headphones' volume with a hardware slider and > always leaving the OS volume at 100%, which is a terrible user > experience. > > When last discussed, the working group agreed to ask the PulseAudio > developers about the issue, without requiring any changes. Since > then, > the developers agreed on a solution to fix this problem without > disabling flat volumes, but the solution has not been implemented > yet. > I'm concerned it will not be implemented in time for F24. Due to the > severity of the issue, I propose we require flat volumes to be > temporarily disabled in Fedora 24 and future Fedora releases until > the > issue has been fixed. > > We were planning to vote on this at the working group meeting today, > but ran out of time, so working group members should vote here. I am > obviously +1. > > This issue is tracked here: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267 > That sort of whiplash (disabling something 'temporarily' only to bring it back next release) is generally frustrating to all sides. The flat volume haters will rejoice when we turn it off now and upset when we bring it back later. The flat volume proponents will have the opposite reaction. And everybody else will just shake their head and think "they have no idea what they're doing". Since we've been living with flat volume's warts for so long, I would suggest to wait for the PA fixes.