On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:42:48 +0200 Christoph Wickert wrote: FYI, now that you mentioned it I discovered in my F15 it does not auto-start either (XFCE)... Regards, Martin

Am Montag, den 24.10.2011, 12:42 +0200 schrieb Elad: This is on the package maintainers to do it, that's why I ask here. Nope, that was policykit agents, not notification daemons. Regards, Christoph

Am Montag, den 24.10.2011, 08:23 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen: Hi Matthias, thanks for the answer and pointing me to the commit. I have to admit I missed it and a heads-up to the maintainers of the affected packages would have been nice. While I do understand that GNOME no longer used dbus to start it, I still don't understand why the desktop file was moved to another package. We now receive complainants that notification-daemon no longer works in Xfce or LXDE. To fix this, we need to install a copy of the desktop file and mark it OnlyShowIn=Xfce or OnlyShowIn=LXDE. The same applies to polkit-gnome. This means we end up with 8 desktop [1] files where we previously only had 3 and still don't cover all combinations. I don't see any improvement over the previous situation, instead I see some regressions: * users are still not free to decide for themselves what notification daemon of polkit agent they want to run. In fact they are more unfree than before. * users of desktop display managers are no longer able to run polkit applications and receive notifications. We'd require another set of desktop files for each WM and this obviously doesn't scale. * I have to maintain 2 patched packages and so have many other maintainers. The only 'improvement' is that it's no longer your problem. I don't understand why you had to apply this change when all it required was some coordination between 3 package maintainers to agree on a sane set of defaults. I made a working proposal for this [2]. Long story short: What do you suggest I should tell the people who complain. They have asked what component they should file bugs against. Are you ok with notification-daemon and polkit-gnome? Regards, Christoph [1] polkit-gnome and notification-daemon in gnome-session, both notification-daemons and polkit agents in xfce4-session and 2 files in lxsession [2] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-April/134578.html

Am Dienstag, den 15.11.2011, 12:46 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen: Hi Matthias, my hope is to fix the problems for our users, this means less complains and bug reports. This means we would have to file bugs against *all* window and session managers because ATM we are leaving a lot of people without any support for policykit or notifications, which is a pretty massive regression compared to F14. I understand your point and I agree it's just treating symptoms, but I think that a proper use of OnlyShowIn and NotShowIn could fix most of the problems - if we agree on a common set. Of course I am open to suggestions, but so far I haven't heard any. Regards, Christoph

Am Mittwoch, den 16.11.2011, 22:09 +0100 schrieb Michael Schwendt: It does run xfce4-notifyd, it just doesn't install it by default. Maybe this is something we should change. I think that no app should crash when it cannot display a notification. Regards, Christoph