Hey,
I have been thinking of retiring xchat from Fedora, and let hexchat take over as its natural replacement. Historically, xchat has been quite popular, so I thought I'd mention it here before removing it from the distribution.
XChat is dead [1] and the last upstream release was seven years ago [2]. On the other hand, HexChat [3] has been a part of Fedora for the last four years, upstream [4] (CCed) is involved in both the Fedora and GNOME communties, and I learnt that the MATE spin already ships it by default.
What do you think?
Cheers, Rishi
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XChat [2] http://xchat.org/ [3] https://hexchat.github.io/ [4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tingping
+1 from me
Christian
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From: "Debarshi Ray" rishi.is@lostca.se To: "Fedora Desktop" desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: "Patrick Griffis" tingping@tingping.se Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:51:35 AM Subject: Retiring xchat and letting hexchat replace it
Hey,
I have been thinking of retiring xchat from Fedora, and let hexchat take over as its natural replacement. Historically, xchat has been quite popular, so I thought I'd mention it here before removing it from the distribution.
XChat is dead [1] and the last upstream release was seven years ago [2]. On the other hand, HexChat [3] has been a part of Fedora for the last four years, upstream [4] (CCed) is involved in both the Fedora and GNOME communties, and I learnt that the MATE spin already ships it by default.
What do you think?
Cheers, Rishi
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XChat [2] http://xchat.org/ [3] https://hexchat.github.io/ [4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tingping _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 16:51:35 +0000 Debarshi Ray rishi.is@lostca.se wrote:
Hey,
I have been thinking of retiring xchat from Fedora, and let hexchat take over as its natural replacement. Historically, xchat has been quite popular, so I thought I'd mention it here before removing it from the distribution.
XChat is dead [1] and the last upstream release was seven years ago [2]. On the other hand, HexChat [3] has been a part of Fedora for the last four years, upstream [4] (CCed) is involved in both the Fedora and GNOME communties, and I learnt that the MATE spin already ships it by default.
What do you think?
Seems like a great idea. :)
kevin
On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 16:51 +0000, Debarshi Ray wrote:
Hey,
I have been thinking of retiring xchat from Fedora, and let hexchat take over as its natural replacement. Historically, xchat has been quite popular, so I thought I'd mention it here before removing it from the distribution.
XChat is dead [1] and the last upstream release was seven years ago [2]. On the other hand, HexChat [3] has been a part of Fedora for the last four years, upstream [4] (CCed) is involved in both the Fedora and GNOME communties, and I learnt that the MATE spin already ships it by default.
What do you think?
Fine by me, except for my one pet peeve. In my experience, hexchat colors a channel orange when there are new messages but none with your nick (or any other string you've nominated for highlighting). When there's a message with your nick, it highlights the channel in green. So, my mind tags 'green' as 'really gotta look at this'. Fine! But, when you get a private message from someone, it colors the sender's name *orange*, not green. This is driving me nuts because my brain has tagged orange as 'meh, not really important', so I keep missing private messages. And I can't find a preference to change this.
xchat used the same highlight color for 'nick mentioned in channel' and 'private message', so I wouldn't miss private messages in xchat.
Anyone else encountered this? Found an option to solve it?
On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 16:51 +0000, Debarshi Ray wrote:
Fine! But, when you get a private message from someone, it colors the sender's name *orange*, not green. This is driving me nuts because my brain has tagged orange as 'meh, not really important', so I keep missing private messages. And I can't find a preference to change this.
The default theme uses green for highlights in chat too, to revert to the default you can backup ~/.config/hexchat/pevents.conf and ~/.config/hexchat/colors.conf to see. Alternatively modify the theme directly: http://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/appearance.html#theming
The default theme uses green for highlights in chat too
Oh sorry I just realized you meant PM's that *aren't* highlights... As mentioned in the previous theming link you can modify "Private Message to Dialog" event to change %C18 to %C19 and remove the last %O to make the entire line green.
There still shouldn't be *orange* in the default theme though.
There still shouldn't be *orange* in the default theme though.
Oh and one last self reply, to color the tab green: https://github.com/TingPing/plugins/blob/master/HexChat/pmcolor.lua
On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 20:29 +0000, Patrick Griffis wrote:
The default theme uses green for highlights in chat too
Oh sorry I just realized you meant PM's that *aren't* highlights... As mentioned in the previous theming link you can modify "Private Message to Dialog" event to change %C18 to %C19 and remove the last %O to make the entire line green.
There still shouldn't be *orange* in the default theme though.
Well, I dunno, I just installed it, copied some of my xchat config files across, and started using it. It's not the *message text* I want colored green, it's the *sender's name in the channel list* - to prompt me to click on the sender's name at all. Because my flow is to check the channel list for anything green and treat that as a high priority; I don't treat orange as a high priority, so when PM senders are just colored orange, I tend to miss them.
Gotcha, for channel list colors use this: https://github.com/TingPing/plugins/blob/master/HexChat/pmcolor.lua
I use xchat for testing as it is much easier to cut paste a favorite channels list into freenode in one step when testing a new install for #qa. Hex chat requires adding them one at a time
On Feb 23, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Debarshi Ray rishi.is@lostca.se wrote:
Hey,
I have been thinking of retiring xchat from Fedora, and let hexchat take over as its natural replacement. Historically, xchat has been quite popular, so I thought I'd mention it here before removing it from the distribution.
XChat is dead [1] and the last upstream release was seven years ago [2]. On the other hand, HexChat [3] has been a part of Fedora for the last four years, upstream [4] (CCed) is involved in both the Fedora and GNOME communties, and I learnt that the MATE spin already ships it by default.
What do you think?
Cheers, Rishi
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XChat [2] http://xchat.org/ [3] https://hexchat.github.io/ [4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tingping _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 04:51:35PM +0000, Debarshi Ray wrote:
Hey,
I have been thinking of retiring xchat from Fedora, and let hexchat take over as its natural replacement. Historically, xchat has been quite popular, so I thought I'd mention it here before removing it from the distribution.
XChat is dead [1] and the last upstream release was seven years ago [2]. On the other hand, HexChat [3] has been a part of Fedora for the last four years, upstream [4] (CCed) is involved in both the Fedora and GNOME communties, and I learnt that the MATE spin already ships it by default.
What do you think?
Cheers, Rishi
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XChat [2] http://xchat.org/ [3] https://hexchat.github.io/ [4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tingping
Questions about the UI notwithstanding, +1 from me.
By the way, Matthias asked whether we needed this in a WG meeting, but I'd propose that if enough of the WG members +1 here, then we can consider the proposal accepted and make changes.
+1
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From: "Paul W. Frields" stickster@gmail.com To: desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:42:38 AM Subject: Re: Retiring xchat and letting hexchat replace it
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 04:51:35PM +0000, Debarshi Ray wrote:
Hey,
I have been thinking of retiring xchat from Fedora, and let hexchat take over as its natural replacement. Historically, xchat has been quite popular, so I thought I'd mention it here before removing it from the distribution.
XChat is dead [1] and the last upstream release was seven years ago [2]. On the other hand, HexChat [3] has been a part of Fedora for the last four years, upstream [4] (CCed) is involved in both the Fedora and GNOME communties, and I learnt that the MATE spin already ships it by default.
What do you think?
Cheers, Rishi
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XChat [2] http://xchat.org/ [3] https://hexchat.github.io/ [4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tingping
Questions about the UI notwithstanding, +1 from me.
By the way, Matthias asked whether we needed this in a WG meeting, but I'd propose that if enough of the WG members +1 here, then we can consider the proposal accepted and make changes.
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On Mon, 2017-02-27 at 10:42 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Questions about the UI notwithstanding, +1 from me.
By the way, Matthias asked whether we needed this in a WG meeting, but I'd propose that if enough of the WG members +1 here, then we can consider the proposal accepted and make changes.
I don't care much either way, but I don't see much point in removing applications that still work. Does the xchat package maintainer, Christopher Aillon, want to remove it? I would defer to him unless there's some particular reason you want the WG to intervene.
Michael
Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Mon, 2017-02-27 at 10:42 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Questions about the UI notwithstanding, +1 from me.
By the way, Matthias asked whether we needed this in a WG meeting, but I'd propose that if enough of the WG members +1 here, then we can consider the proposal accepted and make changes.
I don't care much either way, but I don't see much point in removing applications that still work. Does the xchat package maintainer, Christopher Aillon, want to remove it? I would defer to him unless there's some particular reason you want the WG to intervene.
Good point. I had assumed existing xchat maintainer(s) sanctioned this proposal. I'm curious too.
-- Rex
Hi,
----- Original Message -----
I don't care much either way, but I don't see much point in removing applications that still work. Does the xchat package maintainer, Christopher Aillon, want to remove it? I would defer to him unless there's some particular reason you want the WG to intervene.
Chris left software development many years ago. Last seen living life off the grid in Hawaiʻi, I believe. I don't think you'll be able to contact him.
--Ray
On Mon, 2017-02-27 at 14:27 -0500, Ray Strode wrote:
Chris left software development many years ago. Last seen living life off the grid in Hawaiʻi, I believe. I don't think you'll be able to contact him.
--Ray
Oh wow, OK.
In that case, I think we need to follow the unresponsive maintainer process here as he surely shouldn't be maintaining Fedora packages anymore. Rishi, if you care enough about removing xchat, any chance you want to start that process? Then you'd be able to pick up xchat once it's orphaned and retire it yourself.
Michael
On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 03:54:08PM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
In that case, I think we need to follow the unresponsive maintainer process here as he surely shouldn't be maintaining Fedora packages anymore. Rishi, if you care enough about removing xchat, any chance you want to start that process? Then you'd be able to pick up xchat once it's orphaned and retire it yourself.
Seems like needless paperwork given that xchat is maintained by the GNOME SIG [1], and has historically been taken care of by the Desktop Team.
But, ok. :)
[1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/rpms/xchat/
On Mon, 2017-02-27 at 10:42 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 04:51:35PM +0000, Debarshi Ray wrote:
Hey,
I have been thinking of retiring xchat from Fedora, and let hexchat take over as its natural replacement. Historically, xchat has been quite popular, so I thought I'd mention it here before removing it from the distribution.
XChat is dead [1] and the last upstream release was seven years ago [2]. On the other hand, HexChat [3] has been a part of Fedora for the last four years, upstream [4] (CCed) is involved in both the Fedora and GNOME communties, and I learnt that the MATE spin already ships it by default.
What do you think?
+1 from me
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