4:35 p.m.
hi all
This one is an odd question to ask, since I'm not a windows user.
Mellisa tells me that on her windows box she can see our belkin n300
wireless router in the network section of file explorer. I've tried to
get this working in gnome, since it would be nice to simply click on an
icon and have the browser open to my gateway's setup page instead of
having to remember an IP address. Normally I'd just bite the bullet and
remember the IP address, since it's no big deal. However, I'm going to
be getting a new router soon and sometimes the IP address varies from
192.168.2.1, 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.0.1, and others. Does anyone know
if this is possible? Nautilus seems to be fairly hardcoded in it's
network view. There's always a windows network option, even if no samba
servers are active, and there's a "tigger" option, which refers to my
computer, but I get a connection refused error when clicking on that,
but no router. I'm a novice at networking and only understand the
basics. Does anyone know how I might get this working in fedora? By the
way, fedora 23 rc6 is fantastic, great job everyone! I'll be sure to
inline quote if I get responses this time.
Thanks
Kendell clark
4:52 p.m.
Hi,
I don't think this fits in Nautilus. Nautilus is a file manager, your
router is not a file.
You don't have to remember the IP address or even look for it, though,
because you can just type http://gateway in your browser window, and it
will work. I don't remember if it's systemd or NetworkManager which sets
the "gateway" alias, but it has been around for few releases at this point.
You can also use it in the command line, for example "ping gateway".
I hope this helps.
--
-Elad.
5:02 p.m.
On 10/28/2015 04:52 PM, Elad Alfassa wrote:
Hi,
I don't think this fits in Nautilus. Nautilus is a file manager, your
router is not a file.
You don't have to remember the IP address or even look for it, though,
because you can just type http://gateway in your browser window, and it
will work. I don't remember if it's systemd or NetworkManager which sets
the "gateway" alias, but it has been around for few releases at this
point. You can also use it in the command line, for example "ping gateway".
I hope this helps.
"It sure does. Wish I'd known about this, thanks a lot.
As a curiosity,
is this what windows does? Or does the router specifically identify
itself in some proprietary way windows can see?
Thanks
Kendell clark"
--
-Elad.
5:06 p.m.
The Windows network view uses multiple protocols for device discovery, including NETBIOS,
UPnP and Zeroconf. Most modern routers advertise themselves using Zeroconf - at one point
Epiphany (GNOME Web) would display Zeroconf advertised devices under a 'Local
Sites' bookmark folder, but it seems that is no longer the case (correct me if I'm
wrong). Nautilus (GNOME Files) is purely a file manager, it does not do any Zeroconf
discovery for network devices.
Stefan Nuxoll <stefan(a)nuxoll.eu.org>
Subject: Re: detecting network routers in gnome?
To: desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
From: coffeekingms(a)gmail.com
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 17:02:04 -0500
On 10/28/2015 04:52 PM, Elad Alfassa wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't think this fits in Nautilus. Nautilus is a file manager, your
> router is not a file.
>
>
> You don't have to remember the IP address or even look for it, though,
> because you can just type http://gateway in your browser window, and it
> will work. I don't remember if it's systemd or NetworkManager which sets
> the "gateway" alias, but it has been around for few releases at this
> point. You can also use it in the command line, for example "ping
gateway".
>
> I hope this helps.
"It sure does. Wish I'd known about this, thanks a lot. As a curiosity,
is this what windows does? Or does the router specifically identify
itself in some proprietary way windows can see?
Thanks
Kendell clark"
> --
> -Elad.
>
>
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5:51 p.m.
On 10/28/2015 05:06 PM, Stefan Nuxoll wrote:
The Windows network view uses multiple protocols for device
discovery,
including NETBIOS, UPnP and Zeroconf. Most modern routers advertise
themselves using Zeroconf - at one point Epiphany (GNOME Web) would
display Zeroconf advertised devices under a 'Local Sites' bookmark
folder, but it seems that is no longer the case (correct me if I'm
wrong). Nautilus (GNOME Files) is purely a file manager, it does not do
any Zeroconf discovery for network devices.
"I think this isn't entirely accurate. I believe it uses avahi or
zeroconf, if you like that better to show network accessible devices,
which is how it displays a "windows network" option. I don't know this
to be completely true it could use some other way of showing these
devices but I "think" that's how it does it. In nautilus > 3.18 these
devices have been moved into an "other devices" view which makes it look
cleaner and less cluttered. If this is the case that routers advertise
themselves via zeroconf I may have to investigate the avahi config
files to see if a particular option needs enabling. As an aside, the
gateway alias does seem to work. However, I get 100 percent packet loss
when trying to use it. The particular output I get is:
kendell@tigger speechd-el$ sudo ping [Kgateway
[sudo] password for kendell:
PING gateway.home (198.105.254.17) 56(84) bytes of data.
^C
--- gateway.home ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 6007ms
I've setup a separate home domain via firewalld, which might be why this
doesn't work. Another interesting side effect of this is that I can no
longer use vinegger, gnome's remote desktop client, to connect to
windows or linux machines over the network. When I attempt to search for
them in the "home" domain, I get an error. The exact error is "cannot
browse for "protocol" on domain home. Nxdomain." I'm wondering if I
might have messed something up attempting to mess with things in
firewalld. This stuff is a little over my head. I really should invest
in a good networking book
Thanks
Kendell clark"
Stefan Nuxoll <stefan(a)nuxoll.eu.org
<mailto:stefan@nuxoll.eu.org>>
> Subject: Re: detecting network routers in gnome?
> To: desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> From: coffeekingms(a)gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 17:02:04 -0500
>
>
>
> On 10/28/2015 04:52 PM, Elad Alfassa wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I don't think this fits in Nautilus. Nautilus is a file manager, your
> > router is not a file.
> >
> >
> > You don't have to remember the IP address or even look for it, though,
> > because you can just type http://gateway in your browser window, and it
> > will work. I don't remember if it's systemd or NetworkManager which
sets
> > the "gateway" alias, but it has been around for few releases at this
> > point. You can also use it in the command line, for example "ping
gateway".
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> "It sure does. Wish I'd known about this, thanks a lot. As a curiosity,
> is this what windows does? Or does the router specifically identify
> itself in some proprietary way windows can see?
> Thanks
> Kendell clark"
>
> > --
> > -Elad.
> >
> >
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> desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
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5:40 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
The Windows network view uses multiple protocols for device
discovery,
including NETBIOS, UPnP and Zeroconf. Most modern routers advertise
themselves using Zeroconf - at one point Epiphany (GNOME Web) would display
Zeroconf advertised devices under a 'Local Sites' bookmark folder, but it
seems that is no longer the case (correct me if I'm wrong).
It still does, under the "Nearby sites" menu.
Nautilus (GNOME
Files) is purely a file manager, it does not do any Zeroconf discovery for
network devices.
5:40 p.m.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:02 AM, kendell clark <coffeekingms(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
As a curiosity, is this what windows does?
<desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
No, windows actually fetches more details about your router to display its
name and such. The functionality I described is a simple alias used in name
resolution, just like "localhost" is.
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