On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 01:27 -0500, kendell clark wrote: > hi all This may have been covered here before, and if so I > apologize for the > > mess. I've been getting a couple of blind users who switch over > from windows to fedora, or at least, they say they will. But they > speak multiple languages, and usually want to have gnome shell > and apps displayed in their native language. So I went and > attempted to find out how this is done. Here is what I've found, > and it's puzzling. According to gnome's docs, you simply go into > the region and language control center applet, highlight the > language you want to use, and press enter. If the language isn't > in the list you're supposed to find a "..." button to open a > list of languages to pick from. On my fedora install, there are > only two items in the list. That's strange; there are nine languages in my list. > English US, and an item that's silent. Orca says nothing but I > think it's that "..." button the docs > > were talking about. Instead of taking me to a list, it closes the > language dialog with no effect. OK, this is a bug. That button only works when you click it with a mouse, but when you select it with the keyboard and then hit Enter, it closes the dialog. We also need an accessible label for the ... button. > I know how locales on the command line are supposed to work, > you've got two files in /etc that control this. > > Locale.gen, which controls what languages are available to the > system. I chose german and french, utf8, just to experiment with. > Then there's locale.conf which controls the currently active > language. You simply > > export a new language into this file and the language is supposed > to change. Example, export lang=en_UK.utf-8 > /etc/locale.conf." > Is this > > what gnome's language control center item does? If you're an administrator, or if you're not an administrator and you click the Login Screen button, then it will use localed to set the system language. It's the equivalent of the command 'localectl set -locale', which will modify /etc/locale.conf for you. If you're not an administrator and don't click the Login Screen button, then it changes your user account's language settings with accountsservice, which are used to set $LANG when logging in to GNOME Shell. Keep in mind that in order for the change to system language to take effect on the login screen, you'd have to restart your computer, and for the change to take effect in GNOME Shell, you'd have to log out and log in again. > I'm hearing a lot about these "language packs" in gnome's > documentation, but no matter how I search, dnf, software, I can't > find one. Anyone got any ideas? After I added french and german > in locale.gen, or rather, uncommented them and ran locale-gen, > the languages immediately showed up in the language list, but > pressing enter on them didn't change the language. I'm hoping > it's something obvious, such as you needing to log out and back > in for the new language to take effect. If not, this is probably > a bug in gnome and I need to report it. Thanks for reading > Kendell clark It's the same problem that affects the ... button: pressing enter does not select the new language as you would expect; instead it closes the dialog without changing your language. So it's a bug. Please CC me when you report it, thanks. Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVluHAAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdzdMP/3A9gpNm4HTHbK1/StvKpK+r 8HSNIPsIjxm2xGHvHxEtGh4mCYo3HhAWdqO+OOyfaZoKu8WRmMuXBKEaaBvcL9x7 fa9B5UI6XrfwJn0SgKGM+tp2C+CX69X1q+HmjN2dvr1zXpeCsbiRv6v+/hfSkvgs uLenfxE8z2hIpDQCichFWr0tnU9bpfY71/J9rfmY1VZ4JhThBskmvA+6JYT5CcMQ 2sVvZImpJ98WsbkLHeKRrsgoD4isSeDLK+PxCP8ASH5TPBeSkZAngILtqiY+sg4S oT4V+mbYlo22n+XHhYDqQvy0d4YKShBSiWdJzuV49BWsGiZfaNZktFkm+pz6c+fH eMVgxCZOl/u6zEKQn46L5A9wzZmCg8bgHnyRjLhzh501vTFtHVrp8TR5SPPKTrbl VIaPk35uYS7731J4xBAP63NkYbGeVHNtxrt4Ieju4ZpdP46bDGPiHW26xCezx1wv 1ZJa5jQfVo1r4v6/cJSRwjteEV76ohuJrEeUbscFB9DBoV9xitrKYohHIFSHew+u FOFq/5xewLBUDY+gyo9OCewjoL50R5EKPHcD22mu0uwtYTzOHYvEoSytulbV/cOj p9Wo1y86RY9yhL4wC0opFAaIlTe+YFomwB6ofYgBeA76iRzrLueFMmzvRfVpCVdx KZJc0iNnblCVM0U5vWF0 =HA9P -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 14:25 -0500, kendell clark wrote: > hi Yup, that solved it. That was very helpful. I'll file a bug > against gnome shell for the language list, if there isn't one > already. For some reason I seem to remember filing a bug already, > but I'll look. Thanks Kendell clark If you haven't already filed it, it's a gnome-control-center bug. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVlv9nAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdQM4P/j0iD2ntywMeOQeeUCRmIrGv lr4LYHWS/K3RBjFGw6lmHSChOhIduUqj/P8K7a3JeY3F+aGW5gbEHxwTStOEbZgt AWp/RqTfLD7nedfQWSXtJD9bcmtQqiSANt9hxjlFLrzNqtfL4AfGaHdTLE1BYeKU bIBOFKbaFsE3LDFOBGLLdCx1XtCvr0cg5814EhyLDvn/Eqqy0rT4V98T6LEiNgsc 6+FmRDip7L2ogCh4n8jAjWRR5J41C7rNwmJHXRygj0kOCQLagSNKRDkFL+N5I33m j1T04VN2GewlrgIbE6uckjTp2vDCa9xganvwunUmwaV+F6/Xs9alWu3oXXZzaeJb 2TovWlIJJ1kJ/+qnc2q+auZ0kfqPLnWa+g/LPA8HyBE2zPM0XcpsF0LLUD0rRVCn B7eXCjDhkjtY9tRrVHhAgysYnrtG3yl4wMQBCfFdr8pJ6p/+DcBu5FcaUAAe126v JyDXI4d+BkWG7sAFd7EGPOHvzhpylr8KrSkZlDK8bz/CG1JEdGOL398rhMDnqG9M oK4pkDWalrsxBqs8Z8YwiiR985ln7hlBYzTkwrevCwG1ET5gm6I6YNMSBtRWxXmo kahkHDYA1kHnQAkCnubk2RwstAjOF669C5T1x/P1IaZyrS37l7zIg5eNBBSlJT5e VU9+EBZAOvAhMoeoLw/H =284B -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 16:32 -0500, kendell clark wrote: > hi Nope, hadn't filed yet, but was just about to. I'm not sure > how to write good summaries, the last couple of a11y bugs I've > filed against gnome components have gone unresponded to. Maybe > something like "Region and language settings: the "..." button > only reacts to mouse clicks, not keyboard events?" Thanks Kendell > clark *All* of the buttons only react to mouse clicks. I think there's just no way to use the dialog with a keyboard. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVlx/9AAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTddeoP/A0EGbnaqOiDp/48/H+q3U4J bJDNlOMh7Nc9e4LvK1hyS8TU/LrEhknLlAD6iioHYM+G3P/oNXdOqLG/U2OX+O9w /u6X/bBdqqOKxl7LZLa+icmZkQSSf2SUArH0o79VBhdakqg92erL8E0Ls2tPdTtY AvgphlBrF0N6QiRzmshUD+M2ntXfIEstWIrkkOXWN6RAoYSBtK8HdSn2KX1SNLoP AdMen9dGNnilkXDnZfWkw7HZ6HdTIOPIHWMNIXdFftpoq079EpwaM4VLA7urrT89 aE2MHZ4wLh1cEZRuzcJXts5XubKd/DRwc6FB8TySNzy7UNppUy3DX1d5eDiXsfCK gknxRGCMFmbr9T/HqKtC+lpEt6b94+Zs0iXDPVho1gub+Lo+e+M17BVft4aY3SBw XNWcqnuNRbafS/seZUaXBT3PuaRV2a6cCglrtVLomTYNWmqbKMxlEIGEH4YhzrsY wOapLoc/R23jgikeKrJNVUllvepJBzcYJ1pg+ctlwFEMR+f+5EBrND80pWuyMgMO zRXCXW61iQT1qMrpZ+/Gf7pOUu4KtS7TSozAO4jIjLZtAVbSa/BJJT2aa9a8SjNI w/0nBb1fOGA4Yy08X02OpiN70jXrzPMY6dfmp+XRMiYM03o0QlpSXZikI+R60XDK zm8SNy6ZxlHwHvexmdfo =BTmv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 18:51 -0500, kendell clark wrote: > hi I don't see why not, after all I can tab to the buttons, and > navigate the list. What difference does it make whether you > activate a button by clicking on it or whether you press enter on > it? Or am I missing something obvious? I'm still relatively new > at bug filing. Thanks Kendell clark The problem in this case is that pressing enter does *not* activate the button (actually a GtkListBox entry) that you have selected; instead, it activates the Done button on the dialog, discarding your changes. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVlwNsAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdI0sQAJoHm1oweRDHJbnWT51/X7CN 0aCA/KNyftn5WGovBW88GsLUs7jKPhK6Dg1psculBAGWl1r1Xhi8Nw1relvYyKml GRzB71y4hxeZVvNkgQK11De8QGl4XdeGhhOE3KRrLs1ubVw7CAWi/wMHXWLZHK5/ jkqmZakKeeCp4Sxd07JUv2XvNeu6gqXFXq7AwssFwBxCvx+vLKVgY5NoNEq8N0Hm ofcBUd74/l4d6huXoMJE95y4BzqBD25EiLTIBHpF3iuKAPCRBvXDh3epKWiRRJMW 8h0GnbeubStrgyCePvd83i0b+amlgCEhSfVkrjtPg0RPhxU4jgJ7HxWfu1377SgV IJpFdIi98UnLXc9BQpPRBGV4Px6cHG41A5a69enkw6EmmuTAUPVaW1urYCHW10LV Ng53pA229HN4crCZlmzE9Yogmc40EjGeVQoYi5Gp9xD+GILS84xd/NOLRtxtHzBR mADZirfKI6L0UA0udSOW7T+5MYX4MedG3dCFm5ubL2B/sg1rZjbO9KUVaAl3LI7r LIWiRVX6oMXVenQX4m3EH+lsgsE/Fja2rGwMJk6bcmRsBJYnk+TlX76EoRlnla2I toCzLvlEfv8iGhH8A6pSYN1SugyrcwOTcN/v2jpODKlzDRmCIOWkJXMEaAAaOxHJ bhJACP1lC6Q4EAuHoIYT =1oHh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 16:49 -0500, kendell clark wrote: > hi Now that makes sense. Could a change be implemented where you > select the item by pressing space, thereby highlighting and > marking it as active, then press enter to activate the done > button? That should solve the problem neatly. I believe this is > what clicking on the language with the mouse and then the done > button does? Thanks Kendell clark Wouldn't you expect pressing Enter to select the button? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVmGbOAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdri0QAKT0zAJ5XD2JwtTFd14HReOc p8/9kU45yCEv5yEQltCJv2YkEzgdADtVMPaLk3K+jPIP5GQxcL2LHz3901A+Lqmx 7N0dBjucAU2qjvSuUafcVqfQpQbxpdFVB1pw0EtXEKHD+FcJ8dHFr/G7sbjvt/b+ aBV4Iwj+W0puVRSJ3BLFWRGghJG3queIDW9eAdzfwHJ0V/zfA4Z/1Ly1aAq/VyeA 7TI6d4hU/Z0V1oom6Yoixj28lBxT+XrOYOZORF7IIRxQ8a41qSiWRkhsnXQ8XvzT cVGilTg9J4AtxU5VMtP1R1tWbxV/4qSxy6xH8M2QRhy1wdyBmyrA0/r8LE+LqqBJ sNVFbMvhiEY2TpAXJno3AAo+QvseoIFWwCxhhDUPDk2XDzMUPFE8Lhn4kki+D+vb 0jf2spEcjMMHSOqrBCT62UKF0X/RoowSSreI5jPN2nJQT02ovFENI8QaZVMYAIDe 8eW+s90GSeeXq9dnyZBvILjmDHoeMi2npZWZ4K+mpmogUbu2mUUpmtYigvxI2q7o dgNKUWD3cXVDMmAHyE2K/vtckV1+ph2PGOBe9l8z8RKfLhq5szXCYHqTw6SX6fwH 87tNutG0CoXu4fC+UQbn8XnRE2S3vYUs4vKrzkK7x74B6xJKCskRlbf5CRxKJyOF cpWYZ8idSVKukw7lJeRz =WinN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Sat, 2015-07-04 at 18:05 -0500, kendell clark wrote: > hi Well yes, this is true. But You just said that wasn't > possible, so I'm trying to compromise. Thanks Kendell clark Maybe a misunderstanding; it should definitely be possible. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVmZ0IAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdoHoP/3N2wp7oqlp5oS4vReIqvKWw itoD7iX/Z8mUa+c3xtS9v0axVHNyebOTT4bwW63doAE8Lpvup4wdur+LsI+1qnZe bZ8VZeuVgQ5/KWHw6V8241aFa/4MPR5nFqIaQpeNxqqEfS5YemTWDaocWNgz1UFQ tbOP8b8B0cr7vT0mgMD9OYkjIVlyxI8fdcLSJJgGd9LEPk/TYqctkFnO07aHIKIC NVNNvC2JRhFPgMwReGAFAt8q/TWYl4i+hKpeJUFPWyM275gRqh+ZrXufSu0zaXzr swVbmVsnN/ARiucpD5tqvmCuMkODxPVMyDuADiBhd60GJQWWjd2LapID7Z7Zi4D4 Jp4MMrSCES03RjJyIVgD0zfpursGDvgMomCUy6hVMk1aLFac9IX7u7QMIVugqlRv D8tE3S3GP0Yr71GQJhZLBGg8mYEUwNYNf0bXM19RbhfStWdBmpGcAZeqOEyNEytj O5noDuWoTJPImd9RjAmtLH7aLxsb6ds8CX9pzhqfCi0oiGLq2zR3DJ3da0lMWYLt InXDkHRinRuqm/XWaSwdsgWgEopp0Yd2CYmGeWjexSodbFE0T1P1tTDjiBhyFt7O XQAR8cbU5Xq8h67ojhNknRqwr+JQTZl3P61rIDpSwGbX8GAAnWzG2pyxrCr9sJGp +t0dcS8HZmdNHxEHKokp =nZbb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

hi Definitely possible, I'm still new at this. I tend to interpret what people say a few sentences ahead sometimes, so if it sounds like you're saying it's impossible, I'm likely to think I heard that. Gets me into a lot of trouble sometimes.I'd settle for an accessible label for the "..." button, or list item. In fact, what might be better is if the "..." button were moved to the right of the done button that way it's not in the list, but I'm no gui designer, it was probably put there for a reason. As long as I can navigate the dialog using the keyboard I'm happy. Should I file a bug against gnome control center? Do you know what's up with these "language packas" I keep running to in documentation? I remember language packs in the old gnome 2 days, but are they still relevant now? I only ask because I can't find any no matter how I search, so I'm wondering if it's maybe a left over bit of documentation or if it means something else? Thanks Kendell clark Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Sat, 2015-07-04 at 18:05 -0500, kendell clark wrote: >> hi Well yes, this is true. But You just said that wasn't >> possible, so I'm trying to compromise. Thanks Kendell clark > Maybe a misunderstanding; it should definitely be possible. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVmc6eAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTd34QP/3yPwjylpNbPZ2DFBSH3PGn7 dqykHfP96uwWjlTfw5zbToDl9nGwN+cSxn0TKNh4teP6kyPyjbd6dgdqPnfCMGGr OkFi0LczBLbIQm7lwujb4zpZ9mDHUNIgdzL0TgNiOEb8cKAwIWkXAWBKpUHR8TI+ kFbcc538qjkiPfMDk+u393/5m1cwGDBA8q7lhw9Kg1IoqL7Dc1UO5qTdU82RdIq6 /0O6t2IGqk+Vr2UOmCTnSYDAURrQA6p+tQKP2bG1IjsubbkDxZFmdn8XLPf4kxT2 Hb2HlzY/lugK8mMmrsi0769skHsJZJYbIw6Q9l01bdfcErSh0AkMidYcqx2smPjG U+UXs8W/CSxAeHYJrTr+S/v8jkYk9i7PWPWqhp9N114FQ469iyxLfS6SgY0nXDqY /i4ItDU4ih8hX0QP9Ut2vbC5rFs+9qbfXDFXP3k1JlxTEBERLHM/f7nZju7G0t0V ruUsLK8rRdBpx8f/rnWV5xbk9y03c57zlqZUZFLabpP9/Jf5npmL15EyZgbJ5dLS j4S9OwJGqv9ZjPKonrpNaAXDxcrr0y+RL8+mO0LcAssX4DN5qYG5y3c4muvn/9gN UgKiZ1FOcXeNwEOYY0/+I9TUoK/qtzoqVPnZl8HNph7d9NXkvEykDGjdmfivccT3 sGkJj+8v837dFGMrXuKB =pk1Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Could you describe the problem you are seeing in more detail ? I don't have any problem to move the focus to the ... button, and activating it with enter works just fine. Where is the focus when you hit enter ?