Jonathan tried to kick off this discussion earlier, with some success. I think we should revive the desktop SIG and start to work out some concrete goals for what we want to improve in the desktop spin for F9. Here are some things that we might want to discuss: - menus + switch from "generic name" style to "name - generic name" ? + "too much" - what to get rid of in the menus, and how - login screen + can we make the special live-cd situation more intuitive ? - bootup + should we look at the nm dispatcher work by jon nettleton ? - content + people have proposed to add some free content to the cd - anything else people want to see improved Matthias -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list

httpd I can agree with, but I think sshd should stay. Sometimes getting remote access through a LiveCD is useful. Mark Bidewell On 12/17/07, Ivan Quirino <ivanquirino1928(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > It's really needed to improve the liveCD. Remove some services, like > sshd and httpd, these things just take space in the liveCD. Put > OpenOffice.org int the CD is a great deal. There should be no login > screen in the liveCD. Some content would be nice too. Make the fedora liveCD > like the ubuntu liveCD is not a bad idea. Ubuntu doesnt have server > services, has openoffice.org, and auto-login in the liveCD. And Anaconda > should ask if you want to restart or continue with the liveCD > > On Dec 17, 2007 1:52 AM, Matthias Clasen < mclasen(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > Jonathan tried to kick off this discussion earlier, with some success. > > > > I think we should revive the desktop SIG and start to work out some > > concrete goals for what we want to improve in the desktop spin for F9. > > > > > > Here are some things that we might want to discuss: > > > > - menus > > + switch from "generic name" style to "name - generic name" ? > > + "too much" - what to get rid of in the menus, and how > > > > - login screen > > + can we make the special live-cd situation more intuitive ? > > > > - bootup > > + should we look at the nm dispatcher work by jon nettleton ? > > > > - content > > + people have proposed to add some free content to the cd > > > > - anything else people want to see improved > > > > > > Matthias > > > > -- > > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > > Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > > > > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list

On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 12:06 -0300, Ivan Quirino wrote: > but sshd is the daemon, the server. what should stay is the client. > the liveCD should be the 'client' spin. Both should stay. Ssh/sftp setup with Avahi makes a nice secure way to point and click transfer files around a network. That does remind me that would should make sure to have nss-mdns setup and running properly, as well as proper firewall rules. I don't have my list handy right now, but if things are going to get rolling I will get it all together. Jon > > On Dec 17, 2007 12:01 PM, Mark Bidewelli > <mark.bidewell(a)alumni.clemson.edu&gt; wrote: > httpd I can agree with, but I think sshd should stay. > Sometimes getting remote access through a LiveCD is useful. > > Mark Bidewell > > > > On 12/17/07, Ivan Quirino <ivanquirino1928(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > It's really needed to improve the liveCD. Remove some > services, like sshd and httpd, these things just take > space in the liveCD. Put OpenOffice.org int the CD is > a great deal. There should be no login screen in the > liveCD. Some content would be nice too. Make the > fedora liveCD like the ubuntu liveCD is not a bad > idea. Ubuntu doesnt have server services, has > openoffice.org, and auto-login in the liveCD. And > Anaconda should ask if you want to restart or continue > with the liveCD > > > On Dec 17, 2007 1:52 AM, Matthias Clasen < > mclasen(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Jonathan tried to kick off this discussion > earlier, with some success. > I think we should revive the desktop SIG and > start to work out some > concrete goals for what we want to improve in > the desktop spin for F9. > > > Here are some things that we might want to > discuss: > > - menus > + switch from "generic name" style to "name - > generic name" ? > + "too much" - what to get rid of in the > menus, and how > > - login screen > + can we make the special live-cd situation > more intuitive ? > > - bootup > + should we look at the nm dispatcher work by > jon nettleton ? > > - content > + people have proposed to add some free > content to the cd > > - anything else people want to see improved > > > Matthias > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > > > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > > > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list

+ switch from "generic name" style to "name - generic name" ?

+ "too much" - what to get rid of in the menus, and how

Jonathan tried to kick off this discussion earlier, with some success. I think we should revive the desktop SIG and start to work out some concrete goals for what we want to improve in the desktop spin for F9. Here are some things that we might want to discuss: - menus + switch from "generic name" style to "name - generic name" ? + "too much" - what to get rid of in the menus, and how - login screen + can we make the special live-cd situation more intuitive ? - bootup + should we look at the nm dispatcher work by jon nettleton ? - content + people have proposed to add some free content to the cd - anything else people want to see improved Matthias

Valent Turkovic wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: >> Jonathan tried to kick off this discussion earlier, with some success. >> I think we should revive the desktop SIG and start to work out some >> concrete goals for what we want to improve in the desktop spin for F9. >> >> >> Here are some things that we might want to discuss: >> >> - menus >> + switch from "generic name" style to "name - generic name" ? + >> "too much" - what to get rid of in the menus, and how >> >> - login screen >> + can we make the special live-cd situation more intuitive ? >> >> - bootup + should we look at the nm dispatcher work by jon nettleton ? >> >> - content >> + people have proposed to add some free content to the cd >> >> - anything else people want to see improved >> >> >> Matthias >> > > I have posted this idea before but on fedora-devel mailin list, and it > got great response. I'm reposting it here and adding a RFE to > fedora-destop. > > * Desktop shortcut for joining Fedora IRC (aka "Get Live Help") > Fedora is about freedom+communication, right? Why not make this > statement more that just a nice slogan. If you installed saabyon linux > you could experienced for yourself what this really means. I as a new > user to gentoo (sabayon is based on gentoo) was really blown away with > this feature. It is really, really simple to implement and gives a > real meaning to a communication friendly linux distro. > In sabayon link to their IRC chat has a simple name "Get Live Help" > and it work fabulous! I didn't have any Portage experience so I poped > in IRC chat room and was on my way after I got quick help. Whis kind > of help was precious to me and would love to see it in fedora as one > of it's main features and not just as a slogan. > screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=382063978&size=l Here are some of the suggestions that followed this discussion: +1 although should this need a specific support channel? I would really like this for a rescue situation, so that I don't have to register nick's and muck around trying to remember my nick and password. For total newbies, it'd be good too. I imagine that it wouldn't that significant of a burden. Over on the user list, the OP mentioned Sabayon doing this. Pidgin is in the live cd and would work fine for this, to my knowledge. It would have to be something in the live cd. I see it more as a live-cd thing rather than necessary on an actual install.

1) that we have a team of individuals ready to go as ops for the channel before it goes live in a spin, with an effort to get 24 hour coverage. These are the people with the authority to step in and move things along if the conversation degrades. 2) Identify a "helper" role and a list of people who are filling that role and provide best practices policy for how to help users coming in with problems. This may or may not be the same as the ops role. The point being these are the people who commit to "helpdesk hours" in a public way. If someone comes in at a certain time, they should be able to check and see if a helper is manning the helpdesk. Mutual aid between users is a very useful thing, but having someone there who is committed to setting an example on how to work through problems with other people goes along way towards keeping things pleasant and constructive.