Ryan Rix issued a call for talking points here (and elsewhere): http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-July/013289.html The feature list is somewhat devoid of user-centric features. We know that GNOME 3.0 will not be part of the Fedora 14 release, since it's been deferred until March 2011. I would guess that there will be a separate GNOME 2.32, and that although it may not contain an enormous slew of new user-centric features, it will have some significant improvements and changes. Can anyone summarize some of those for the list, or point us to a URL?

We know that GNOME 3's timeline has moved out to a release in March 2011.  Is there a 2.32, or a 2.30 refresh, planned for September that will incoprorate any new user-visible changes or improvements to which we could point?

On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 17:25 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > Additionally, IIRC webM was released just after F13 come out; will > Firefox in F14 be able to play youtube without flash? Totem will have YouTube webM support, though we need to do a bit of work there still.

I think it's best to wait until GNOME 2.31.6 settles down before working on the features list.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Gianluca Sforna <giallu(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Some examples just coming to mind: drivers for ATI/Nvidia cards, 3D > acceleration and/or compositing, power management, user account dialog > > Additionally, IIRC webM was released just after F13 come out; will > Firefox in F14 be able to play youtube without flash? > More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch,

hybrid graphic support

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 00:18 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote: >> More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch, > > I don't think this is going to be user visible until GTK+ / Qt get > support, and that's not likely for F14 (especially since we're not > taking GTK+ 3). So it seems we are being beaten to "first" here: http://lwn.net/Articles/400455/

From reading the article, looks to me like Peter Hutterer &co. are

On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 12:27 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 04:15:48PM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 00:18 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > > >> More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch, > > > > > > I don't think this is going to be user visible until GTK+ / Qt get > > > support, and that's not likely for F14 (especially since we're not > > > taking GTK+ 3). > > > > So it seems we are being beaten to "first" here: > > http://lwn.net/Articles/400455/ > > First to rush in with a not-upstream set of extensions? Perhaps. > >From reading the article, looks to me like Peter Hutterer &co. are > working on an upstream implementation that's more sustainable. Careful there. We shipped DRI2 before it was really baked upstream.

On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 12:28 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 13:50 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 12:27 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 04:15:48PM +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 00:18 +0200, Gianluca Sforna wrote: > > > > >> More user visible things to check about current status: multi touch, > > > > > > > > > > I don't think this is going to be user visible until GTK+ / Qt get > > > > > support, and that's not likely for F14 (especially since we're not > > > > > taking GTK+ 3). > > > > > > > > So it seems we are being beaten to "first" here: > > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/400455/ > > > > > > First to rush in with a not-upstream set of extensions? Perhaps. > > > >From reading the article, looks to me like Peter Hutterer &co. are > > > working on an upstream implementation that's more sustainable. > > > > Careful there. We shipped DRI2 before it was really baked upstream. > > 'Before it was baked upstream' is rather different from 'a completely > different and incompatible implementation from the one upstream is > already working on. Hosted in launchpad.' though. Seems like I spoke too soon (me? never!) - now I look at xorg-devel archives, they seem to be handling this one rather decently. Ain't that nice.

We know that GNOME 3's timeline has moved out to a release in March 2011.  Is there a 2.32, or a 2.30 refresh, planned for September that will incoprorate any new user-visible changes or improvements to which we could point?