April 2008 - devel - Fedora Mailing-Lists

by Amitakhya Phukan

hi! i managed to take a screenshot while updating my F8 to F9 rawhide. i chose "upgrade existing installation". everything was smooth. but there was this progress bar movement that really surprised me. it said it had to update 915 packages. at 496 packages, isn't it more than 50% complete ? the progress bar however is at far less than 50%. is that expected behaviour ? why ?? i am attaching a pic i took from my mobile :) . people pls pardon me for the tilted image i had to take. i couldn't get it properly done with my mobile. sos sorry for that. regards, amit.

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Packages up for grabs

by Jarod Wilson

I've got a few packages I'm the sole maintainer on, but I simply don't use the package anymore or have much interest in continuing to maintain. Anyone interested in taking the following over? ganglia libconfuse rrdtool In all fairness, Matthias Saou used to own rrdtool before I took it over, so I'd like to offer that back to him first... Speaking of thias, he's a co-maintainer on a few of the remaining packages that came from the beryl bits, which I'd like to also step away from. Thias, if you want primary maintainership, they're yours. Others interested, speak up: aquamarine emerald emerald-themes And finally, one more package that also has a co-maintainer (jef spaleta) who I'd like to have first crack at becoming primary maintainer, but that I should really have nothing to do with anymore: numpy I took on numpy with the intention of trying to finally kill python-numeric, but I just don't have the time -- too busy with kernel-related fun. :) Still a worthwhile project someone with the time really ought take on though -- perhaps with the help of whomever is still maintaining the long-since obsoleted python-numeric package. -- Jarod Wilson jwilson(a)redhat.com

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Summary of the 2008-04-08 Packaging Committee meeting

by Jason L Tibbitts III

Meeting minutes and full logs of the packaging committee meeting which occurred on 2008-04-08 are online: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Minutes http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Minutes20080408 The following drafts are now official guidelines, having been accepted by FESCO last week: * SysV-style initscript guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/SysVInitScript * Java packaging guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Java * Eclipse plugin guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/EclipsePlugins * GCJGuidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/GCJGuidelines These should be written into the guidelines soon if this hasn't already been done by the time you read this. Issues pending FESCO ratification: * No packages may own files or dirs in /srv * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/NoBitsInSrv * This is a new draft this week * Target release: F10 (including fixing noncompliant packages by then) * Accepted (6 - 0) * Voting for: tibbs spot Rathann abadger1999 racor hansg rdieter * Update the GCJ guidelines to require that it be called conditionally * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/ConditionalGCJ * A modification to the existing GCJ guidelines, new this week. * Accepted (6 - 0) * Voting for: abadger1999 spot tibbs rdieter Rathann hansg Other business: * Naming all packages in lowercase * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/ASCIINamingLowercase * This is a new draft. * Not Accepted (1 - 4) * Voting for: agadger1999 * Voting against: tibbs spot hansg racor * Abstaining: Rathann rdieter * Revisiting the jpackagage naming exception * The original exception is at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/JPackagePolicy; the committee is revisiting the exception. * The committee requests from the Java group "a list of information as to why they need the jpp tag, specifically, how they're using it, by May 8th." The committee will revisit the issue then. * Accepted (5 - 0) * Voting for: tibbs abadger1999 spot rdieter hansg * Sugar Activity Guidelines * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DennisGilmore/SugarActivityGuidelines * A new draft this week * Some issues were identified: * arch-specific activities should not install under /usr/share * /usr/share/activities is rather generic * The draft is tabled until the next meeting. The meeting ended with a long discussion of the packaging of static libraries and the conditions under which static libraries are allowable in the -devel pacuage. This was triggered by the discussion in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430545. There was no written proposal. Next meeting in two weeks: 2008-04-22. - J<

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smolts.org 's broken...

by Oliver Falk

Hi! Just want to mention that smolts.org static pages (at least http://smolts.org/static/stats/stats.html) is broken. If you reload the page a few times, you'll see the date jumping around (Apr 23, Apr 9, Apr 17)... Seems it's loadbalanced and not all servers have the same content and even the latest content you can get (Apr 23) is not up2date. :-( -of PS: Keep me posted CC:...

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KVM and the new virtio drivers

by Dennis Jacobfeuerborn

Hi, I'm trying to get a F9 guest running using the new virtio block device but seem to run into trouble with LVM. I rebuilt the initrd in the guest adding the options "--with=virtio_pci --with=virtio_blk" and after booting the kernel correctly detects vd1 and vd2 but then fails to find any volume groups. Using "media=disk" instead of "if=virtio" brings the guest up fine. Is there a special option needed to make the kernel/initrd find the volume group on these virtual block devices? Are these drivers stable enough to maybe put them into the initrd by default? I would be nice to be able to boot a F9 guest with the paravirtualized drivers out of the box without having to build a custom initrd image. Regards, Dennis

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Monodevelop and video card recommedations

by Paul F. Johnson

Hi, Double pronged email this... 1. Can anyone recommend an AGP card which will allow me to run 3D graphics without using non-GPL drivers? I want to move away from nVidia for the time being. Nothing against their cards, just that to use 3D, I need to use their drivers. 2. Monodevelop (rawhide) currently has a problem - no editor. For that to work, it has to have gtksourceview2-sharp installed. Currently, this is only available from the Novell ftp site. Not really a problem, nor is the licence. However, the package will still need to be approved. Given that monodevelop is pretty useless without the editor, is there a fast track way to get gtksourceview2-sharp into rawhide? TTFN Paul -- Programmer, GirlGamer www.girlgamer.com

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Xfce SIG?

by Kevin Fenzi

Greetings. I'd like to do a bit of informal polling here and see if there is enough interest in forming a Xfce SIG. Right now, I maintain the Xfce packages and help with plugins, Christoph Wickert maintains all the plugins and helps with the main packages, and Rahul Sundaram maintains the Xfce spin. Are there enough other people out there interested in Xfce to make forming a SIG worthwhile? I have been really busy of late and would love some help with a few of the Xfce enhancement bugs at least: 433573 - RFE: add mixer and trash applett to the default panel config (needs clean patch) 433838 - RFE: Fedora icon in desktop menu (has a patch, but somehow is not working fully right). Ideas, patches, suggestions are always welcome, but if there are enough folks out there that want to contribute we can form up a SIG. Feel free to email me directly or followup to this post to show your interest. Thanks, kevin

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Multilib Middle-Ground

by Warren Togami

Bill Nottingham wrote: > Warren Togami (wtogami(a)redhat.com) said: >> * In the case of this scim change: You do a Korean language install. >> Even on a non-LiveCD install you end up missing i386 (and font) packages >> necessary for full Korean desktop support. There is no obvious way for >> the user to know why it broke. It is suddenly impossible to have a full >> Korean language desktop install by using the yum group. THIS IS A BIG >> PROBLEM OUTSIDE OF LIVECD. > > ... 'and font'? The scim change changes fonts? O RLY? > > This is *exactly* what I said. You're saying we should do something > special for an input method (for GTK only) that we don't do for > QT input methods, NSS modules, PAM modules, etc. Then I guess we are really not that much worse off. It is impossible for yum groupinstall to "fix" these problems in Fedora 9. This points to a more general problem: We were not happy with having a huge pile of unnecessary i386 packages so our solution was to completely eliminate them from the default install. We went TOO FAR overcompensating for the previous broken multilib behavior. Dependencies or a comps multilib whitelist could be a nice middle-ground. Some users want to be i386-free. Other users want a tiny set of expected packages to be multilib to avoid confusion. The current yum option is either all or none. Perhaps we need a third option like "smart" which uses a multilib whitelist that can be updated via repodata. Anaconda and other GUI interfaces can allow the user to choose between "smart" and "100% i386 free". This way "yum groupinstall korean-support" can install everything the user expects. This avoids the lose of: - expecting the user to manually install a complicated set of arch-specific packages because they can't use yum groupinstall - expecting the user to change the yum multilib priority option and subject themselves to a huge pile of unnecessary crap that they will never need. No time to do this before F9. Warren Togami wtogami(a)redhat.com

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is xorg.conf still needed

by Rodd Clarkson

I've been running my system for the past week without an xorg.conf file and it seems to work well I'm pretty sure that from comments made either on this list or fedora-test that we are moving in a direction where the norm will be that no xorg.conf file is needed and therefor won't be created. I'm having discussions with someone about this at the moment and would appreciate some clarification on where things are head so that this can be addressed at their end.[1] [1] The nvidia service from livna tries to run /usr/sbin/nvidia-config-display which seems to require a xorg.conf file in place. It appears that either (a) livna will need to work around the absence of this file by creating one (how?), and eventually (b) that nvidia will need to rewrite their software to recognize that the file need not exist. R. -- "It's a fine line between denial and faith. It's much better on my side"

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How to downgrade Fedora to previous release?

by Peter Lemenkov

Hello All! Since Fedora 9-Preview completely unuseable for me I decided to step back to F-8. Thus far I know abount the only solution - backing up /etc/ and /home directories and reinstalling F-8 but maybe there are some ways to downgrade to previous relese and updates. Another one note - since FC-4 of FC-2 I never updated to next release w/o errors and things tends to be more worse than earlier. Looks like it's doe to lack of testing combined with lack of comminications within community (if such a community exists at all). Take a look at the fedora popularity trend compared with other distros popularities. Current mood is "frustrating". -- With best regards!

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