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Time to retire GlusterFS in Fedora?
by Kaleb Keithley 09 Jan '25

09 Jan '25

HI, Development has effectively ended. For years Red Hat drove development for its RHGS product, but with the EOL of RHGS at the end of 2024 [1], and the disbanding of RHGS engineering at Red Hat, no development is being done. The last update (11.1) was on 6 Nov., 2023. Little or no, development is taking place in the greater Gluster community (such as it is), and no new updates appear to be forthcoming from any direction. Over in the CentOS world, the CentOS Storage SIG members have decided not to build GlusterFS RPMs for Stream 10. Therefore I intend to retire the GlusterFS package in Fedora 42, unless someone else would like to step in and take over as package owner. [1] https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/rhs/ -- Kaleb

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Enabling RPM based sysuser handling
by Florian Festi 21 Dec '24

21 Dec '24

Hi everyone! RPM 4.19 added automatic sysuser handling [1]. In Fedora 39 this feature was not enabled right away [2] as it requires some care to properly transition to it. Also going back to 4.18 was technically still the fallback option during this change. I just noticed in an issue in the RPM upstream repository [3] that the sysuser feature is still not enabled. May be right now might be a good time to get this going for Fedora 41. I am happy to help with the technical details but would prefer if this effort was driven from within Fedora. Currently users are either done manually by calling useradd in scriptlets or using the macros in systemd-rpm-macros which is a sub package of the systemd package. RPM's mechanism is switched off by rpm-4.18.92-disable-sysusers.patch in the rpm package. This whole thing probably needs to be a Global Change involving a change to the Packaging Guidelines [4] and may be an Mass Package Change (although that might be avoided by changing the macros in systemd-rpm-macros to NOPs). Anyone interested in picking this up? I remember quite a few people being exited about this when it was announced with the rpm-4.19 Change. Florian [1] https://rpm-software-management.github.io/rpm/manual/users_and_groups.html [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPM-4.19 [3] https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/3073 [4] https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/UsersAndGroups

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soname bump: live555 2024.03.08 coming to rawhide
by Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski 09 Dec '24

09 Dec '24

Hello! Latest live555-2024.03.08 comes with an SONAME bump from 107 to 112. The only consumer seems to be vlc, which I'll rebuild in a side-tag (f41-build-side-87311) and submit together as an update. This is rawhide only. Regards, Dominik -- Fedora https://fedoraproject.org Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic. -- from "The Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan

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Intel's Clear Linux optimizations
by František Zatloukal 21 Nov '24

21 Nov '24

Hi, Phoronix recently release article[1] about Intel's Clear Linux with some cool graphs showing nice performance gain compared to Xubuntu. I didn't have time to dig in and look how it's performing against Fedora, but I'd assume Fedora can be compared to Xubuntu in terms of compiler settings. I think i'll be interesting to look into it and find out if Fedora can't tweak compiler settings (eg use LTO for critical things like Mesa, Kernel, ...). I think it could be interesting fo Fedora users to have this enabled if there are not any disadvantages other than compile time, compile memory usage and so on. What do you think? [1] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-clr-opengl&num=1 -- Best regards / S pozdravem, František Zatloukal Project Coordinator Red Hat

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Packaging Guidelines for Applications using Git Submodules
by Gerald B. Cox 12 Nov '24

12 Nov '24

I'm trying to figure out the best way to handle the situation where a project decides to use submodules in Git. The archive generated doesn't incorporate the submodule files. I've done some searching on this, and haven't really come up with much. I've reviewed: Packaging:Github <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:SourceURL?rd=Packaging/SourceURL#G…> ; but that really doesn't address the submodule issue. I looked through some packages that are currently in the Fedora repository and found where a few folks have rebuilt the tarball and referenced that version as the Source in the spec file; then they put in a comment stating: The source of this package was pulled from upstreams' vcs. Use the following commands to generate the tarball: ... - git clone ... - git submodule init - git submodule update ... This approach is the best that I've found. Any other suggestions? Thanks much!

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Request for comment- tuned replacing power-profiles-daemon plan
by Kate Hsuan 31 Oct '24

31 Oct '24

Hi Folks, We would like to replace power-profiles-daemon with tuned. There are many power-related software that offer similar functions. Advanced users may install several power management tools, for example, tuned and power-profiles-daemon (ppd), and get confused about which tools manage the system and cause unexpected behaviors for the system. By integrating power-profiles-daemon with tuned, the user can get extra features to finetune the system, and the basic feature provided by ppd can be used according to the user's demand. It also can reduce the efforts of the maintainer. The impact of this plan would be gnome-control-center (power panel), KDE, sysprof, and tuned (or some projects depending on ppd). We should move the ppd API and features to tuned to provide the same features of it. From the API aspect, we also can design a new API for the basic feature, ppd provided but the software dependent on ppd should be modified to use the new API. Although, for the long-term plan, a set of new API is a good option. For the short-term plan, moving the original one to tuned is good for those applications depending on ppd. Moreover, the detailed change proposal can be found here. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/TunedReplacesPower-profiles-daemon If you have any suggestions, please let us know. Thank you. :) -- BR, Kate

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Applications with AppData and not visible in the software center
by Richard Hughes 14 Oct '24

14 Oct '24

We've been looking at the AppStream extractor issues in Fedora, and we've come across a few broken applications. Broken apps are not visible in the application installer. The apps include: * albumart * apitrace-gui * appstream * asylum * audience * bomber * bovo * calligra-braindump * cervisia * choqok * classified-ads * crrcsim * cube * curblaster * dsi * escape * ettercap * font-manager * freedink-engine * gap-core * gnofract4d * gvrng * hgview * hyperrogue * kaddressbook * key-mon * kgraphviewer * knotes * konqueror * LabPlot * nextcloud-client (maybe fixed in distgit) * openms * openvibe * owncloud-client * pingus * pioneer * portecle * qdigidoc * qjackctl * qsynth * qtikz * recoll * renku * rodent * screengrab * screenruler * simple-ccsm * slashem * spectacle * speed-dreams * tennix * tilp2 * tortoisehg * trophy * tzclock * uzbl-defaults * vdrift * vegastrike * wireshark-gtk * xfce4-power-manager * xfpanel-switch * xskat * yakuake * zanshin * zathura The full list, along with what failed is available here: https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/screenshots/f26/failed.html If you want any suggestions or advice, I'm happy to help. Most of the failures are pretty self explanatory, e.g. "No <summary> in AppData" or "icon was too small 24x24" -- our guidelines are here: https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/blob/master/README.md#guidelines-… As a reminder, you can validate AppData files using: appstream-util validate-relax file.appdata.xml Thanks, and comments welcome. I can set up a script that sends email to the package maintainer if this would be helpful, but I thought we might be able to get the majority of these sorted with this email. Richard.

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Fedora rawhide (to be f41) and openssl engines
by Dmitry Belyavskiy 02 Oct '24

02 Oct '24

Dear colleagues, as the changes described in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OpensslDeprecateEngine were approved and implemented and a week or two has passed, we can summarize the consequences. Lack of openssl/engine.h file moved to a separate package is not processed correctly by packages and requires changes in specs which also comes with a cost. OpenSSL ABI is kept. On the other hand, CentOS stream uses a different approach when openssl keeps ABI, doesn't ship openssl/engine.h, and defines OPENSSL_NO_ENGINE explicitly, so old applications keep working and at the same time new application can mostly be rebuilt without significant problems. I understand that Fedora has much more packages but there are much less complaints from CentOS/RHEL than from Fedora. So I wonder if it's worth changing the engine deprecation mechanism in Fedora to the one we have in CentOS and if yes, what is the mechanism for such a change. -- Dmitry Belyavskiy

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Execute RPM dependency generators on the .spec file which ships them
by Vít Ondruch 27 Sep '24

27 Sep '24

I am still playing with idea of executing RPM dependency generators on the .spec file which ships them. I have created RPM RFE ticket quite a while ago here: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/782 So for no luck with having this implemented. However, I think there is reasonable way. It would be enough to have some generic attr file around. I have create small test package exploring this idea and you can find it in my Copr repo: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/vondruch/rpm-local-generator/ https://copr-dist-git.fedorainfracloud.org/cgit/vondruch/rpm-local-generato… On the same place, you can also find package leveraging this concept: https://copr-dist-git.fedorainfracloud.org/cgit/vondruch/rpm-local-generato… Would somebody else benefit from this idea/package or can somebody spot some issue with it? Thx for feedback. Vít

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F41 Change Proposal: Anaconda as native Wayland application (System Wide)
by Aoife Moloney 27 Sep '24

27 Sep '24

Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Anaconda_As_Native_Wayland_Applicati… Discussion Thread - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f41-change-proposal-anaconda-as-nati… This is a proposed Change for Fedora Linux. This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. == Summary == Currently, Anaconda is still an X11 application, which we would like to fix and make Anaconda Wayland native application to allow us drop of the X11 dependencies from installation ISO images. However, this change is not just a simple switch and we need to do some adjustments during the path which will impact user experience. == Owner == * Name: Anaconda team ([[User:jkonecny| Jiří Konečný]]) * Email: jkonecny(a)redhat.com == Detailed Description == Anaconda is required to migrate to Wayland native application to drop dependencies from the installation ISO images which are deprecated. Package owners want to drop libXklavier from Fedora (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1955025 ) but also Xorg server from CentOS Stream and RHEL. However, this change won’t be just simple switching from X11 to Wayland, we also need to change a few things in Anaconda to be able to remove the X11 dependencies. This will have two main visible impacts listed below. === VNC switch to RDP for remote GUI installations === Anaconda has to remove ‘TigerVNC' which is used for VNC connection to be able to install your machine remotely with graphical UI. Reason is that TigerVNC is built from the Xorg server sources, so we would still depend on the Xorg server with this project. As replacement, we follow the recommendation of the Fedora Workstation to switch to Gnome Remote Desktop (grd) with a better protocol Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) which gives users better performance and security. This will have an impact on current vnc kickstart commands and kernel boot options of Anaconda. This will impact only the Anaconda installation environment (boot.iso). === Consistent keyboard control === Currently, Anaconda experiences difficulties in handling keyboard layouts in the installation environment, particularly on Wayland. Formerly, libXklavier was utilized by Anaconda to manage keyboard layout configuration, however, it proved unstable on Wayland. As a result, Anaconda has disabled keyboard handling during Wayland Live media installations due to unexpected behavior (refer to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2016613 ). This approach may lead to situations when users encountering issues while unlocking LUKS devices or using user passwords in the installed system because installation was done with a different keyboard layout. To exacerbate the situation, there is no universally applicable solution for keyboard handling on Wayland systems, as Wayland lacks a unified API for keyboard management. It means that each Fedora Desktop Environment developed their own API. Unfortunately, the Anaconda team is not able to maintain a custom solution for each Fedora spin. Some Desktop environments started to use '''systemd-localed''' DBus API to address this issue and similar issues. The systemd-localed API seems to be the best approach currently, so we want to promote it as a shared solution for all Fedora spins. The plan is: * All Fedora spins and Anaconda listen on '''org.freedesktop.locale1''' and reflect configuration on the currently running system (might be only for Live media if desired) * All Fedora spins and Anaconda reflect their configuration to org.freedesktop.locale1 * In case Fedora spin will not support '''org.freedesktop.locale1''', the keyboard configuration of Anaconda won’t be reflected in the current system and the situation will be similar to the current Live Wayland experience All the spin owners were notified about this request: * https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/430 * https://pagure.io/fedora-kde/SIG/issue/504 * https://gitlab.com/fedora/sigs/sway/SIG/-/issues/36 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278655 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278658 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278656 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278864 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278866 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278869 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278874 * https://pagure.io/fedora-cosmic/SIG/issue/1 * https://pagure.io/fedora-budgie/project/issue/4 * https://pagure.io/fedora-lxqt/SIG/issue/4 * https://pagure.io/i3-sig/Fedora-i3-Spin/issue/70 == Feedback == We have some feedback from the SIG owners for the keyboard handling (see the links above). We don’t have feedback for the VNC to RDP switch yet. == Benefit to Fedora == * This change will enable removal of X11 dependencies from the Anaconda which may result in reduction of installed software to the system when installing from Live ISO where ISO content is copied to the installed system (depends on the spin dependencies). * Switching from VNC to RDP allow users to use remote graphical installations which are more secure and have better performance . == Scope == * Proposal owners: The Anaconda team will implement changes required in the Anaconda project. More specifically: ** Switch Anaconda code to start Wayland environment on boot.iso instead of X11 ** Change keyboard switching logic to use systemd-localed DBus instead of libXklavier ** Switch remote graphical installations from VNC (TigerVNC) to RDP (GRD) * Other developers: Fedora SIG owners needs to add support for their environment to listen and use systemd-localed DBus API to reflect current state of the DE/WM or they won’t have support of keyboard layout switching in Anaconda. * Release engineering: [https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12138 #12138] * Policies and guidelines: Yes should be done after the implementation (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/installation/interactive… should switch to RDP) * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Alignment with the Fedora Strategy: == Upgrade/compatibility impact == This will impact only Fedora installations so no compatibility or upgrade issues. == Early Testing (Optional) == We will reach Fedora QE to coordinate testing approach. == How To Test == # Download any installation media # Run the installation # Look for breakages during the installation Testing should be especially focused on: * Changing resolution with ''inst.resolution'' kernel boot option * Test new RDP solution (API will be clarified) ** Password can be set to the RDP ** Username can be set to the RDP * Test keyboard layout switching works correctly ** On Live media, Anaconda should react on keyboard layout change in the DE and set that to the installed system ** On Live media, Anaconda should be able to set the keyboard layout changes to the live environment ** In the network installation (boot.iso) Anaconda should correctly reflect keyboard layouts changes so text in the Anaconda is written by the correct layout ** Check if specific keyboard layouts are configured and installed as expected == User Experience == The only visible change to a user should be: * Remote graphical installations will use RDP instead of VNC. * Anaconda will be able to control keyboard layouts in the Wayland environment on Live ISOs. This will improve user experience when installing Fedora Workstation, Fedora KDE, Fedora Sway and other Wayland based environments. == Dependencies == No dependencies of this package related to this change. == Contingency Plan == * Contingency mechanism: Postpone this change to the next Fedora release. Revert landed changes in Anaconda if required. * Contingency deadline: 100% code completion deadline * Blocks release? No == Documentation == No documentation yet. However, there are a few PRs ready for merge for CentOS Stream 10: * https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/pull/5463 * https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/pull/5470 * https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/pull/5485 * https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/pull/5498 == Release Notes == TBD -- Aoife Moloney Fedora Operations Architect Fedora Project Matrix: @amoloney:fedora.im IRC: amoloney -- _______________________________________________ devel-announce mailing list -- devel-announce(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-announce-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedorapr… Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue

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