On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 01:01:13PM +0100, Matej Cepl wrote:
On 2007-11-05, 09:59 GMT, Patrice Dumas wrote:
Well, it's confusing (at least for me) to distinguish between
WindowMaker and GNUStep -- at least in Debian (which I used
before coming to RedHat) WM tend to develop a list of wm-*
packages almost as long as g* and k* packages. I am not sure
Ok, I don't know about that. Maybe a relevant comps group could be
something like gnustep desktop.
> I don't think that dust will settle. The desktop is a moving
> target, with kde/gnome/xfce ruling freedesktop and having
> resources put by vendors in these efforts (redhat is a good
> example of a company pushing the desktop innovations which also
> means breaking existing apps).
Well, then probably point is to keep the list packages in DE just
as long as you and people who will be on it with you will be able
to maintain. Moreover, it seems to me that (under the influence
of server guys, I think) many core changes in Fedora (thinking
pulseaudio, policykit, packagekit, and hopefully now even
NetworkManager) will be much more open to non-{Gnome,KDE}
environments.
I hope that too, but currently this is not the trend I am seeing. That
is the server/light DE will catch up, but then there will be a newer
breaking.
> I used xfce in the past (fedora 3, maybe 4?) but then it became
> to take time to launch, and then I switched to fluxbox.
Jus to make sure, that I understand -- you claim, that XFCE is
not as lightweight as it used to be, or in other words, that
their effort to build lightweight equivalent of Gnome failed?
It is much lighter than gnome, but heavier than fluxbox.
> Nothing more is necessary for lightweight DE. Of course there
are lots
> of apps that can be optional but are suited for lightweight DE
> (dockapps, gmrun, xdvi, xfig, conky, gv and many others...).
I don't know -- would you allow some email client, for example (I
heard a lot of good things about Sylpheed in this respect) or do
you expect most of the apps to be console ones running in
xterm/rxvt/whatever?
sylpheed seems to have a good record, but I personally use mutt.
Maybe what could be more interesting than a comps group which doesn't
seems to fit very well in my opinion, because of the diversity and
optionality, a spin with the most used light apps could be done. I dream
of that since a lot of time, but I don't think it is worth it as long as
the integration isn't good enough. Moreover I am not persuaded that it
would be useful, even though it should be fun.
--
Pat