On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:00:05PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:

Am 17.07.2013 11:21, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:

On 07/17/2013 12:58 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote:

You still have not addressed the third party programs and scripts
that monitor /var/log/messages

We honestly cant keep progress and cleanup in the distribution back out of fear of breaking some third party programs

you could if you want

* only journald is running -> write to "/var/log/messages" and "/var/log/secure" additionally to the journal
  a option in "/etc/systemd/journald.conf" to disable this

* if a syslog-daemon is running leave "/var/log/messages" and "/var/log/secure"
  untouched from journald

so *if* you want you can keep progress without a large impact all the time

Except ... that would still keep duplicated logs on the FS. Removing
the duplication is the primary reason for wanting to not install
rsyslogd by default.

Zbyszek