I love GNOME 3 and detest KDE 4. I've tried MATE and Cinnamon on both
Linux Mint and Fedora and don't really see the point of either of them
as long as GNOME 3 offers fallback mode.

When you come right down to it, nearly all Linux desktops can be
easily customized to provide a Windows-like workflow (menu at lower
left, panel at bottom) or a Mac-like workflow (menu at upper left,
panel at top). All the major Linux desktops can do this. I've even
done this with OpenBox and fbpanel.

Personally I think the "Default Linux desktop" ought to *be* OpenBox
and fbpanel - it would get the media sizes and RAM use back down to
something sane. ;-) I spend most of my time in either the browser, a
terminal or a GUI application like RStudio, LibreOffice or GIMP.
That's all a Linux desktop needs, really - a browser, a terminal app
and a menu/panel/taskbar/tray/clock/wifi/sound/weather app gizmo.

You *do* need a good terminal app - I'd pick gnome-terminal over
konsole or lxterminal or the XFCE terminal if I had a choice but I
could live with any of them. Xterm is even acceptable if you have a
3-button mouse. ;-) But other than that, an awful lot of the
"innovation" in Linux desktops seems to me to be wasted effort.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik@redhat.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> I don't think Cinnamon as default desktop. Fedora always was of GNOME
>> by default Desktop. However, I have to choose, I would choose KDE as
>> default desktop.
>
> From the times Kevin proposed Plasma as default desktop - and the rest
> of KDE SIG did not support it - it's mainly about resources. And not
> only packaging ones, also development (to make sure desktop works on
> top of our base system layer - and you know, Fedora is often first)
> but documentation (yeah, someone has to write documentation), artwork
> and all other teams I forgot to mention (sorry ;-).
>
> Btw. Board is trying to find the way how to avoid that strict
> "something is default" - do you know based on this definition Compiz
> should be part of our default offering [1]?
>
> And the last thing - GNOME is coming with so called "classic" UI -
> see GNOME 3.8 feature page (I announced a few minutes ago) [2].
>
> "Fallback mode is going away in 3.8. Instead, there will be a set of
> supported extensions that is grouped together in a 'classic' mode,
> which provides a more GNOME 2-like user experience"
>
> Same tries Cinnamon but as a fork. Make your own conclusion ;-)
>
> Jaroslav
>
> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Default_offering
> [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome3.8
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Jaroslav Reznik < jreznik@redhat.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop =
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Cinnamon_as_Default_Desktop
>>
>> Feature owner(s): Eric Smith < eric@brouhaha.com >
>>
>> This feature proposes that Fedora switch the default desktop
>> interface from
>> Gnome 3 to Cinnamon. Cinnamon provides a desktop interface that is
>> more
>> familiar to Windows and Gnome 2 users than the standard Gnome Shell
>> interface,
>> while being built from Gnome 3 components.
>>
>> == Detailed description ==
>> The Gnome 3 interface is substantially different that the traditional
>> desktop
>> interfaces on both Linux and Windows. While it is good that there is
>> research
>> into new user interface concepts, many users prefer to have a
>> traditional
>> interface that they are accustomed to. Unfortunately it is difficult
>> or
>> impossible to assess what fraction of the user base prefers Gnome
>> Shell vs. a
>> more traditional interface. I'm not trying to start (or continue) a
>> flame war
>> here, so I won't state any of my own criticisms of Gnome Shell here,
>> but I
>> will observe that a number of very high profile people in the Linux
>> community,
>> such as Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox, have publicly announce that due
>> to
>> problems with Gnome Shell they are switching to a different desktop
>> and/or
>> Linux distribution.
>>
>> I submit the proposition that it is easier for a user doing a new
>> Fedora
>> install to start with a traditional desktop, and switch to the Gnome
>> Shell if
>> they prefer that, than to start with Gnome Shell and switch to a
>> traditional
>> desktop.
>>
>> The Cinnamon desktop provides a traditional desktop while being based
>> on the
>> latest Gnome and GTK components, so it seems like a better candidate
>> for a
>> default desktop than MATE, which is based on older components.
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