On 02. 07. 19 17:58, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:02 PM Miro Hrončok <mhroncok@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 01. 07. 19 16:21, Peter Robinson wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 2:34 AM Miro Hrončok <mhroncok@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 28. 06. 19 0:51, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 18:49, Neal Gompa <ngompa13@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:ngompa13@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > What about postponing this change to F32? I'd prefer python2 to be
>>>>> > retired and gone from the distro first, and the symlink and
>>>>> > %python_provide definition only switched then. I think that having
>>>>> > this middle state where python2 is available but python points to
>>>>> > python3 for exactly one release will be more confusing that switching
>>>>> > directly to the final state where python2 is gone and python simply
>>>>> > means python3.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it makes sense to make the switch before we retire, because
>>>>> then people's expectations are changed ahead of time and they can
>>>>> adapt to The Future(TM).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I think it makes more sense that F31 provides no /usr/bin/python. Then
>>>>> a lot of things which depend on it can be found and fixed since they have not
>>>>> adapted to the Future any other way.
>>>>
>>>> We've been actively forbidding packagers doing that for more than a year.
>>>> Most packages that still require /usr/bin/python are either:
>>>>
>>>> * FTBFS since Fedora 28 (and I will make sure we follow the policy this time
>>>> and finally kill those)
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> * willingly workarounded by the packagers who tend to ignore all our
>>>> recommendations (nothing we can really do here)
>>>>
>>>> Totally that is 10 runtime dependent packages and 64 buildtime.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If we take away /usr/bin/python and "python" provide, those things won't resolve.
>>>>
>>>> If we change it to Python 3, some of them might work, most of them probably
>>>> won't. Some of them are broken already (like
>>>>
>>>> $ (repoquery --repo=rawhide-source --whatrequires python; repoquery
>>>> --repo=rawhide-source --whatrequires python-unversioned-command; repoquery
>>>> --repo=rawhide-source --whatrequires /usr/bin/python) | pkgname | sort | uniq
>>>> audit
>>>> bibus
>>>> bitfrost
>>>> blitz
>>>> claws-mail
>>>> coan
>>>> crun
>>>> distro-info
>>>> distro-info-data
>>>> dracut-modules-olpc
>>>> dtrx
>>>> gcc
>>>> gnome-python2-desktop
>>>> graphite2
>>>> grass
>>>> gwebsockets
>>>> htop
>>>> hyperscan
>>>> cherrytree
>>>> chocolate-doom
>>>> json4s
>>>> kcov
>>>> libclc
>>>> libtaskotron
>>>> liquidwar
>>>> maxima
>>>> mchange-commons
>>>> mingw-qt5-qtdeclarative
>>>> mingw-wine-gecko
>>>> mongo-c-driver
>>>> mozc
>>>> offlineimap
>>>> olpc-contents
>>>> olpc-os-builder
>>>> perl-Plack
>>>> planner
>>>> python-rospkg
>>>> qtwebkit
>>>> qt5-qtdeclarative
>>>> sbt
>>>> seamonkey
>>>> sugar-base
>>>> sugar-castle
>>>> sugar-deducto
>>>> sugar-flip
>>>> sugar-jukebox
>>>> sugar-kuku
>>>> sugar-measure
>>>> sugar-pippy
>>>> sugar-srilanka
>>>> sugar-starchart
>>>> sugar-toolkit
>>>> sugar-yupana
>>>> swift-lang
>>>> tarantool
>>>> termy-qt
>>>> twitter-twemoji-fonts
>>>> uboot-tools
>>>> udis86
>>>> vdsm
>>>> vte
>>>> wesnoth
>>>> wine-mono
>>>> 0ad
>>>>
>>>> $ (repoquery --repo=rawhide --whatrequires python; repoquery --repo=rawhide
>>>> --whatrequires python-unversioned-command; repoquery --repo=rawhide
>>>> --whatrequires /usr/bin/python) | pkgname | sort | uniq
>>>> gwebsockets
>>>> icaro
>>>> pyqt-mail-checker
>>>> qct
>>>> redhat-lsb-languages
>>>> resiprocate-turn-server-psql
>>>> sugar
>>>> sugar-toolkit
>>>> vdsm
>>>> vdsm-yajsonrpc
>>>
>>> I fixed the following up:
>>> uboot-tools
>>> gnome-python2-desktop
>>> gwebsockets
>>> sugar
>>> sugar-base
>>> sugar-castle
>>> sugar-deducto
>>> sugar-flip
>>> sugar-jukebox
>>> sugar-kuku
>>> sugar-measure
>>> sugar-pippy
>>> sugar-srilanka
>>> sugar-starchart
>>> sugar-toolkit
>>> sugar-yupana
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>> The following are FTB due to someone retiring Pyrex out from under
>>> them without notifying me (there's been a number of py2 packages that
>>> have had that happen) so they're going to take a bit longer.
>>> bitfrost
>>> dracut-modules-olpc
>>> olpc-contents
>>> olpc-os-builder
>>
>> I've notified you at least 3 times:
>>
>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/4LKL4NAQZOF6ETC62IKEP5KWGSI5PUNA/
>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/23I5LPSAYL3OFR5UNEKFLZKPGCRBLVYC/
>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/X77IOA2RE3KADMMVPISYSESA3KYJ2UFR/
>
> Do you cc: affected people on those? I was on PTO and traveling in the
> window of the messages you link there so they probably got lost in the
> million other devel@ and related emails, it's easy enough for them to
> get lost if you don't have an explicit notification it's something you
> should be paying attention too.
I bcc all the listed people. The lists don't like dozens of recipients.
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