You already have a solution. Use the solution you have.
Not a solution, it's a bandaid to a much larger problem.
Fedora will not change to cater to this particular need.
Your opinions does not dictate what Fedora should/shouldn't do.
Yet Fedora expects other distros/DEs, *including their own spins* to cater to their decisions when those decisions aren't wanted or technically possible to begin with. That's hypocritical.
Your rants and all caps won't make anything change. Please try to deal with it and move on from this rather dead thread.
My apologies for interrupting your daily mailing list programming
of package orphaning/retirement. I know everyone's waiting on
their seats in anticipation of what packages are going
orphaned/retired next, but the current discussion has evolved into
something that very much impacts that very issue.
Let me break it down for you:
1. More fragmentation means more work to maintain and test everything.
2. More work to maintain and test everything requires more people.
3. More people means more roles that have to be filled which require experience.
4. Different people have different ideas on approaching problems,
and since they have experience, they use that experience to
fragment the desktop even more instead of compromising or working
together. This is *Fedora*
5. More fragmentation angers developers who want to support the
platform since they can't ensure that their software works
remotely consistently. This is *me*.
6. Angry developers means less software for Linux.
7. Less software for Linux means less users.
8. Less users means a smaller pool of potential people to fill empty roles.
9. Empty roles means things go stale, bugs go unfixed, and no one
has experience.
Make any sense? I know it doesn't perfectly loop back at the end
but 1-4 does.
Br
M
On 23 September 2019 20:38:13 CEST, Ty Young <youngty1997@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/23/19 10:00 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:50 am, Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro@gnome.org> wrote:
You're wasting your time. We're not going to run the X server as root just so you can overclock your GPU. Not a chance.
It isn't just to overclock my GPU, you're *BREAKING PEOPLE'S SOFTWARE, EVEN IF THEY ARE FLATPAK*. The whole point of Flatpak for an end user is cross-distro compatibility!
Anyway, while we won't do that Fedora... since you're clearly interested in customizing your system, you can do so for yourself. What you want to do is build gdm using the configure flag --disable-user-display-server. You can host your special gdm in a copr if you want to make it easier for other Nvidia overclockers to use it.
This is entirely unnecessary. You can enable root X. Org via the config option. A random user's COPR repo isn't a whole lot safer.
See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/XorgWithoutRootRights for why this was changed (over five years ago!). The changes were made upstream, so there is nothing Fedora-specific here. If you use GNOME on most other distros, you should see the same behavior.
Five years ago and yet no other DE besides Gnome supports it. Five years and many distros that even use Gnome don't even have it enabled by default. Five years and Fedora has done nothing to make other DEs support it despite the fact that Fedora is the only one that actually wants the change to begin with.
Lets *actually read* that link, shall we?
>The user experience will be unchanged
This is a blatant lie. Breaking people's software absolutely impacts the user experience.
>Desktop product: gdm, Ray Strode is working on this: ?
>KDE spin: ?
>XFCE spin: ?
>LXDE spin: ?
Look at that broad DE support. It's *almost* like no one cares or wants this, even after 5 years! There are still open bug reports on multiple distros/DEs that haven't been worked on or updated in years.
>Having the xserver not run as root reduces Fedora's attack surface.
...which few other Linux distro cares about and is seemingly just a boogeyman used to fearmonger since no one can pin point actual malicious software that takes advantage of it to begin with.
If you're so afraid of the X. Org as root boogeyman then oh boy, allow me to turn it up a notch by telling you just *some* of the things possible with basic *user* account permissions. You can:
-reboot/shutdown
-silently lockup the system by spawning too many threads
-hard lock the system by passing allowed but unsupported values
-fill up memory, resulting in HDD thrashing and potentially killing your SSD
-create other processes(pop up windows)
-kill other processes
-upload all your files in your home directory to a personal private server
-delete all your files in your home directory
-encrypt all your files in your home directory.
...among a whole lot else I'm probably forgetting.
Point is, at some point you need to let the security crap go. No one else cares besides Fedora and Gnome.
The only distro I know of that uses --disable-user-display-server is Endless.
Michael
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