10:46 p.m.
Hello!
maybe you know that around April 2018, there was an announcement that
libravatar service (a service for serving user avatars) is shutting
down: https://blog.libravatar.org/posts/Libravatar.org_is_shutting_down_on_2018...
This raised a big wave of interest in the service and in keeping it
alive because libravatar was here for quite a long time and used by
many parties including Pagure, Mozilla Firefox, or Linux kernel. A
group of people formed with the goal to port libravatar to a new
platform and new servers and
https://blog.libravatar.org/posts/Libravatar.org_is_not_going_away/
was published. Then the work on saving libravatar had begun...
And now, it is finally done! Yesterday at 17pm UTC, Francois Marier
flipped the DNS switch to point www.libravatar.org to the new server
and completely new, modern implementation placed in our Fedora cloud!
\o/ Check it out here: www.libravatar.org
I think it's quite a nice message of how well people in Open Source
and Free Software can cooperate and how they can make something
significant happen. I would like to say thank you to them and in
particular to:
Oliver Falk who rewrote libravatar from scratch
(https://git.linux-kernel.at/oliver/ivatar)
Francois Marier who wrote and maintained the original libravatar and
who was helping us all the time with the migration
Tristan Le Guern who was testing the new implementation and provided
great insights
Niklas Poslovski who themed new libravatar
Lars Kruse who lead our IRC meetings and setup our @libravatar.org
email addresses
Me who setup the new servers in Fedora Infra Cloud and did some
testing of the new implementation too
I would also like to thank the Fedora community and the Infra team for
providing us with the space in the cloud for the new service.
So yeah, if your avatars are not served properly, you know whom to
blame :). You can get in touch with us on #libravatar Freenode
channel. Through https://git.linux-kernel.at/oliver/ivatar bugtracker
or by writing to libravatar-fans(a)lists.launchpad.net mailing list.
Enjoy
clime
11:07 p.m.
On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:46:16 PM EST Michal Novotny wrote:
Hello!
maybe you know that around April 2018, there was an announcement that
libravatar service (a service for serving user avatars) is shutting
down:
https://blog.libravatar.org/posts/Libravatar.org_is_shutting_down_on_2018-0
9-01/
This raised a big wave of interest in the service and in keeping it
alive because libravatar was here for quite a long time and used by
many parties including Pagure, Mozilla Firefox, or Linux kernel. A
group of people formed with the goal to port libravatar to a new
platform and new servers and
https://blog.libravatar.org/posts/Libravatar.org_is_not_going_away/
was published. Then the work on saving libravatar had begun...
And now, it is finally done! Yesterday at 17pm UTC, Francois Marier
flipped the DNS switch to point www.libravatar.org to the new server
and completely new, modern implementation placed in our Fedora cloud!
\o/ Check it out here: www.libravatar.org
I think it's quite a nice message of how well people in Open Source
and Free Software can cooperate and how they can make something
significant happen. I would like to say thank you to them and in
particular to:
Oliver Falk who rewrote libravatar from scratch
(https://git.linux-kernel.at/oliver/ivatar)
Francois Marier who wrote and maintained the original libravatar and
who was helping us all the time with the migration
Tristan Le Guern who was testing the new implementation and provided
great insights
Niklas Poslovski who themed new libravatar
Lars Kruse who lead our IRC meetings and setup our @libravatar.org
email addresses
Me who setup the new servers in Fedora Infra Cloud and did some
testing of the new implementation too
I would also like to thank the Fedora community and the Infra team for
providing us with the space in the cloud for the new service.
So yeah, if your avatars are not served properly, you know whom to
blame :). You can get in touch with us on #libravatar Freenode
channel. Through https://git.linux-kernel.at/oliver/ivatar bugtracker
or by writing to libravatar-fans(a)lists.launchpad.net mailing list.
Enjoy
clime
_______________________________________________
devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Awesome! I'm glad we won't be losing libravatar, and I couldn't be happier
that it's supported by Fedora's Infra.
--
John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh(a)splentity.com>
Splentity
https://splentity.com/
4:49 a.m.
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 00:07, John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:46:16 PM EST Michal Novotny wrote:
> Hello!
>
> maybe you know that around April 2018, there was an announcement that
> libravatar service (a service for serving user avatars) is shutting
Awesome! I'm glad we won't be losing libravatar, and I
couldn't be happier
that it's supported by Fedora's Infra.
I would like to clarify this as quickly as possible. Fedora
Infrastructure's support is only to give out hardware resources to the
this project. We do not have any fixing abilities other than rebooting
the server if it gets stuck. People having problems like libravatars'
avatars or login problems etc will need to contact the libravatar
organization versus #fedora-admin or the Fedora Infrastructure ticket
system.
--
Stephen J Smoogen.
1:25 p.m.
On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:49:13 AM EST Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 00:07, John Harris
<johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:46:16 PM EST Michal Novotny wrote:
>
> > Hello!
> >
> >
> >
> > maybe you know that around April 2018, there was an announcement that
> > libravatar service (a service for serving user avatars) is shutting
> Awesome! I'm glad we won't be losing libravatar, and I couldn't be
> happier
> that it's supported by Fedora's Infra.
>
>
I would like to clarify this as quickly as possible. Fedora
Infrastructure's support is only to give out hardware resources to the
this project. We do not have any fixing abilities other than rebooting
the server if it gets stuck. People having problems like libravatars'
avatars or login problems etc will need to contact the libravatar
organization versus #fedora-admin or the Fedora Infrastructure ticket
system.
--
Stephen J Smoogen.
_______________________________________________
devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Haha, I could definitely see some confusion coming from that. Sorry for my
wording.
--
John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh(a)splentity.com>
Splentity
https://splentity.com/
2:40 a.m.
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:27 PM John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:49:13 AM EST Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 00:07, John Harris <johnmh(a)splentity.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:46:16 PM EST Michal Novotny wrote:
> >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > maybe you know that around April 2018, there was an announcement that
> > > libravatar service (a service for serving user avatars) is shutting
>
>
>
> > Awesome! I'm glad we won't be losing libravatar, and I couldn't be
> > happier
> > that it's supported by Fedora's Infra.
John, thank you for the kind words!
We, as a libravatar group, are very happy that Fedora Infra provided
us with the needed
hardware. We will keep the service running by our own effort.
clime
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > I would like to clarify this as quickly as possible. Fedora
> > Infrastructure's support is only to give out hardware resources to the
> > this project. We do not have any fixing abilities other than rebooting
> > the server if it gets stuck. People having problems like libravatars'
> > avatars or login problems etc will need to contact the libravatar
> > organization versus #fedora-admin or the Fedora Infrastructure ticket
> > system.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stephen J Smoogen.
> > _______________________________________________
> > devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
> > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> > List Archives:
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
>
> Haha, I could definitely see some confusion coming from that. Sorry for my
> wording.
>
> --
> John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh(a)splentity.com>
> Splentity
> https://splentity.com/_______________________________________________
> devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
5:49 a.m.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 09:40:16AM +0100, Michal Novotny wrote:
We, as a libravatar group, are very happy that Fedora Infra provided
us with the needed
hardware. We will keep the service running by our own effort.
What is the right place report errors in the web server configuration
regarding the Strict Transport Security HTTP header? There are two
issues:
- it does not contain includeSubDomains
- http://libravatar.org odes not redirect directly to
https://libravatar.org but to the www subdomain instead.
Kind regards
Till
7:41 a.m.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 12:51 PM Till Maas <opensource(a)till.name> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 09:40:16AM +0100, Michal Novotny wrote:
> We, as a libravatar group, are very happy that Fedora Infra provided
> us with the needed
> hardware. We will keep the service running by our own effort.
What is the right place report errors in the web server configuration
regarding the Strict Transport Security HTTP header? There are two
issues:
- it does not contain includeSubDomains
- http://libravatar.org odes not redirect directly to
https://libravatar.org but to the www subdomain instead.
Till, thank you for checking it! That's very valuable to us
and to me as well.
I've added IncludeSubDomains directive to HSTS declarations.
Can you take a look?
I am not sure why http://libravatar.org to https://www.libravatar.org
redirect is bad. Can you, please, explain?
Thank you
clime
>
> Kind regards
> Till
> _______________________________________________
> devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
7:46 a.m.
On 21/02/2019 13:41, Michal Novotny wrote:
I am not sure why http://libravatar.org to
https://www.libravatar.org
redirect is bad. Can you, please, explain?
The reason for saying it should redirect with www first
and then to www after that if you want is to ensure that
libravatar.org is visited over https without a prefix so
that HSTS is recorded for all subdomains.
It's not essential if you only have a single name anyway
but if you're doing includeSubdomains then it may be, and
it is required for preload:
https://hstspreload.org/?domain=libravatar.org
Tom
--
Tom Hughes (tom(a)compton.nu)
http://compton.nu/
7:48 a.m.
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 8:46:27 AM EST Tom Hughes wrote:
On 21/02/2019 13:41, Michal Novotny wrote:
> I am not sure why http://libravatar.org to https://www.libravatar.org
> redirect is bad. Can you, please, explain?
The reason for saying it should redirect with www first
and then to www after that if you want is to ensure that
libravatar.org is visited over https without a prefix so
that HSTS is recorded for all subdomains.
It's not essential if you only have a single name anyway
but if you're doing includeSubdomains then it may be, and
it is required for preload:
https://hstspreload.org/?domain=libravatar.org
Tom
--
Tom Hughes (tom(a)compton.nu)
http://compton.nu/
_______________________________________________
devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
It's pretty uncommon for people to even use `www` these days.
--
John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh(a)splentity.com>
Splentity
https://splentity.com/
7:58 a.m.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 2:46 PM Tom Hughes <tom(a)compton.nu> wrote:
On 21/02/2019 13:41, Michal Novotny wrote:
> I am not sure why http://libravatar.org to https://www.libravatar.org
> redirect is bad. Can you, please, explain?
The reason for saying it should redirect with www first
and then to www after that if you want is to ensure that
libravatar.org is visited over https without a prefix so
that HSTS is recorded for all subdomains.
Great explanation, thanks. It should be fixed now.
>
> It's not essential if you only have a single name anyway
> but if you're doing includeSubdomains then it may be, and
> it is required for preload:
>
> https://hstspreload.org/?domain=libravatar.org
>
> Tom
>
> --
> Tom Hughes (tom(a)compton.nu)
> http://compton.nu/
9:24 a.m.
Any idea how to use it?
The: https://src.fedoraproject.org/settings#nav-basic-tab
has an option to change the avatar.
That will redirect me to: https://www.libravatar.org/account/login/
I have an image uploaded in: https://www.libravatar.org/accounts/profile/
But I found no way to somehow "apply" the image, or propagate it to
the fedoraproject.org and use that one instead the generated ...
something.
--
Btw I still get "Server Error 500" on
https://www.libravatar.org/accounts/upload_export/
--
Michal Schorm
--
10:39 p.m.
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:26 PM Michal Schorm <mschorm(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Any idea how to use it?
The: https://src.fedoraproject.org/settings#nav-basic-tab
has an option to change the avatar.
That will redirect me to: https://www.libravatar.org/account/login/
I have an image uploaded in: https://www.libravatar.org/accounts/profile/
But I found no way to somehow "apply" the image, or propagate it to
the fedoraproject.org and use that one instead the generated ...
something.
Hello MIchal,
in your profile at src.fp.o, there should be a default email address set
in "Email addresses" section.
I checked that this is the email address that src.fp.o displays avatars
for.
In libravatar, in your profile you should have that default email address
confirmed. Under "You have the following confirmed identities:".
If you have that, you should be able to edit identity by clicking
on edit button in top-left corner. Then you should be able to
select your avatar from the images you have uploaded.
--
Btw I still get "Server Error 500" on
https://www.libravatar.org/accounts/upload_export/
I have tried to upload a xml.gz file i have from previous
export from original libravatar.org and it worked. I got 500
only when I tried to upload e.g. a txt file. Could that be
the case? I reported the issue here
https://git.linux-kernel.at/oliver/ivatar/issues/53
so we can solve it there properly.
Thanks for the report!
clime
>
> --
> Michal Schorm
> --
> _______________________________________________
> devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
11:04 p.m.
This is what confused me:
My profile is names after my email address.
So I entirely ignored the button "add new email address", because I
thought it must be obvious for the service.
Works fine, thanks for the clarification!
For the second part:
seems fixed now. It was 100% reproducible for me by uploading jpeg
(the exact same that I had already uploaded once). But I don't see the
ERR 500 anymore.
Also new error message "Invalid Format" has just been introduced,
which covers that.
--
Michal Schorm
Software Engineer
Core Services - Databases Team
Red Hat
--
On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 5:41 AM Michal Novotny <clime(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:26 PM Michal Schorm <mschorm(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > Any idea how to use it?
> >
> > The: https://src.fedoraproject.org/settings#nav-basic-tab
> > has an option to change the avatar.
> > That will redirect me to: https://www.libravatar.org/account/login/
> >
> > I have an image uploaded in: https://www.libravatar.org/accounts/profile/
> >
> > But I found no way to somehow "apply" the image, or propagate it to
> > the fedoraproject.org and use that one instead the generated ...
> > something.
>
> Hello MIchal,
>
> in your profile at src.fp.o, there should be a default email address set
> in "Email addresses" section.
>
> I checked that this is the email address that src.fp.o displays avatars
> for.
>
> In libravatar, in your profile you should have that default email address
> confirmed. Under "You have the following confirmed identities:".
>
> If you have that, you should be able to edit identity by clicking
> on edit button in top-left corner. Then you should be able to
> select your avatar from the images you have uploaded.
>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Btw I still get "Server Error 500" on
> > https://www.libravatar.org/accounts/upload_export/
>
> I have tried to upload a xml.gz file i have from previous
> export from original libravatar.org and it worked. I got 500
> only when I tried to upload e.g. a txt file. Could that be
> the case? I reported the issue here
> https://git.linux-kernel.at/oliver/ivatar/issues/53
> so we can solve it there properly.
>
> Thanks for the report!
> clime
>
> >
> > --
> > Michal Schorm
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
> > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> > List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> _______________________________________________
> devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
12:41 a.m.
On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 6:06 AM Michal Schorm <mschorm(a)redhat.com> wrote:
This is what confused me:
My profile is names after my email address.
So I entirely ignored the button "add new email address", because I
thought it must be obvious for the service.
Ah, right. Glad it works now!
Works fine, thanks for the clarification!
For the second part:
seems fixed now. It was 100% reproducible for me by uploading jpeg
(the exact same that I had already uploaded once). But I don't see the
ERR 500 anymore.
Also new error message "Invalid Format" has just been introduced,
which covers that.
Cool, that's probably work of Oliver Falk :).
>
> --
>
> Michal Schorm
> Software Engineer
> Core Services - Databases Team
> Red Hat
>
> --
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 5:41 AM Michal Novotny <clime(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:26 PM Michal Schorm <mschorm(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Any idea how to use it?
> > >
> > > The: https://src.fedoraproject.org/settings#nav-basic-tab
> > > has an option to change the avatar.
> > > That will redirect me to: https://www.libravatar.org/account/login/
> > >
> > > I have an image uploaded in: https://www.libravatar.org/accounts/profile/
> > >
> > > But I found no way to somehow "apply" the image, or propagate it
to
> > > the fedoraproject.org and use that one instead the generated ...
> > > something.
> >
> > Hello MIchal,
> >
> > in your profile at src.fp.o, there should be a default email address set
> > in "Email addresses" section.
> >
> > I checked that this is the email address that src.fp.o displays avatars
> > for.
> >
> > In libravatar, in your profile you should have that default email address
> > confirmed. Under "You have the following confirmed identities:".
> >
> > If you have that, you should be able to edit identity by clicking
> > on edit button in top-left corner. Then you should be able to
> > select your avatar from the images you have uploaded.
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Btw I still get "Server Error 500" on
> > > https://www.libravatar.org/accounts/upload_export/
> >
> > I have tried to upload a xml.gz file i have from previous
> > export from original libravatar.org and it worked. I got 500
> > only when I tried to upload e.g. a txt file. Could that be
> > the case? I reported the issue here
> > https://git.linux-kernel.at/oliver/ivatar/issues/53
> > so we can solve it there properly.
> >
> > Thanks for the report!
> > clime
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Michal Schorm
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
> > > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> > > List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
> > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> > List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> _______________________________________________
> devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
7:55 a.m.
HSTS redirects from http to https should just elevate security and not
redirect to a different subdomain.
Altrought it supposes two redirects (http->https and then libravatar ->
www.libravatar.org) that's the correct way for HSTS
Michal Novotny <clime(a)redhat.com> igorleak hau idatzi zuen (2019 ots. 21,
og. 14:51):
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 12:51 PM Till Maas
<opensource(a)till.name> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 09:40:16AM +0100, Michal Novotny wrote:
>
> > We, as a libravatar group, are very happy that Fedora Infra provided
> > us with the needed
> > hardware. We will keep the service running by our own effort.
>
> What is the right place report errors in the web server configuration
> regarding the Strict Transport Security HTTP header? There are two
> issues:
>
> - it does not contain includeSubDomains
> - http://libravatar.org odes not redirect directly to
> https://libravatar.org but to the www subdomain instead.
Till, thank you for checking it! That's very valuable to us
and to me as well.
I've added IncludeSubDomains directive to HSTS declarations.
Can you take a look?
I am not sure why http://libravatar.org to https://www.libravatar.org
redirect is bad. Can you, please, explain?
Thank you
clime
>
> Kind regards
> Till
> _______________________________________________
> devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
_______________________________________________
devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html
List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
List Archives:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
1872
days inactive
1885
days old
14 comments
7 participants
participants (7)
-
John Harris -
Julen Landa Alustiza -
Michal Novotny -
Michal Schorm -
Stephen John Smoogen -
Till Maas -
Tom Hughes