Hi, I put in a RFE https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806534 for a udev rule for the Fender Mustang amplifier and got a very quick response from Kay Sievers (some needs to tell RedHat about weekends). Obviously things have moved on since I last looked at permissions and their use with devices. Anyway his answer was this: --- Systemd/udev offers to assign dynamic access control lists to device nodes, which are only added when the user's login is active/in the foreground. For that to work, a name ID_<some name> for the device class needs to be found, this property needs to be set by the rules, then added to the systemd file, and logged-in users with active session will get access the the device. The rules file can be a single line like: SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ENV{DEVTYPE}=="usb_device", \ ATTRS{idVendor}=="1ed8", ATTRS{idProduct}=="000[456]" \ ENV{ID_<some_name>}="1" --- The matching shown is for the device, what I don't know is how to choose the ID_<some_name> to set; whether there are existing ones that might be appropriate or whether I need to create a unit in systemd and a new ID_ for it. The software that needs this is currently packaged by someone as RPM for SUSE and Fedora, but I'd hope it could eventually be moved into Fedora and getting these rules right would be a step towards that. Thanks for your time. -- imalone